Crime & Punishment

What you continually ignore is the balance. When you can steal or blow up peoples mission items in the safety of high sec, the outcome will never be harsh for the pirate, it can only harsh for the mission runner. Do you still not see how this is imbalanced?

You see? You can only see this from one perspective, and the imbalance is hypocritically ignored. Now get back to your basement.

A magnificent example of arguing from ignorance

He really is, isn't he?

He went out and did something in this game beyond dying and crying about it.

Again, try not to be so obviously mad.

All you have demonstrated is an inability to grasp the basic concept that what makes EVE the great game that it was and has become is the endless angle shooting available to its players.

Your mission got ransomed I believe? Your item got snagged? You got tossed?

So grow some balls and try again, only this time take what you learned and try to apply it in order to boost your chances of succeeding in the future. Piracy, whether null sec, low sec or high sec, is a fundamental component of this game. Players drive the action. Players screw one another over. Players find ways to exploit your infinite gullibility.

Again, your inability to wake up and smell these lovely roses is why you fail. And it is why you are here, butthurt that your safety and success have been compromised by someone who knows how to twist you up.

It's not imbalanced, you could have fought back, planned better, brought friends. YOU are supposed to supply the risk to the pirate just like he's supplyinh it to you. You failed to do this, and rather than man up and take responsiblity for you failure, you run to the forums asking CCP to change things (after a petiton campaign so silly CCP told you "don't call us, we'll call you" lol).

You accues others of being basement dwellers. While sorry, I'm not the one pitiful enough to get outsmarted and lose in a video game then post about it. That's you sir. Put the ramen noodles and hotpockets down, go out side and try to meet a female, after you do that you might even be better at EVE.

Speaking as someone who is very much benefiting from hi-sec missions ATM, I have to laugh a little at the BUFFS that hi-sec mission running has received in the last year or so.

Remember before MJD, how some L4s actually presented some danger? If NOTHING else, it acts as a get-out-of-jail-free card in case of a scram. In reality though, MJD has also engendered a new love of sentry-LOL-boats.

Now with the new Marauders, I've been able to sell both of my loot-pinata Machariels for T2-fit Vargurs that makes the Machariel look like a real slouch when it comes to mission-running efficiency.

Jenn, you're right that a single L4-runner can make close to 150m/hr (granted, it takes some practice to get this good). Have you considered dual-boxing this way and pulling in something north of 200m/hr? My eve-friends still don't understand how I can go welp a Bhaal one afternoon on a solo roam in low-sec because of bordedom.

All he has to risk is a shuttle or slasher, you pea brain. And friends aren't going to give you victory since it can be down to the fastest person to loot the item warp off and therefore whoever has the fastest connection has the best chance, that is if they dont just decide to blow it up to spite you. And why should one sociopathic loser be able to cause you that much trouble in high sec anyway?

Don't you have a single decent argument?

Nerf, I kind of agree with you that these pirates ruining your day aren't really putting anything on the line. That said, I find your OP a little ironic juxtaposed with your signature.

At any rate, always remember that this is the GD forum. Threads like this one get eaten alive every time. RIP

Well I do have a bit of sympathy for the COSMOS situation because they are not repeatable missions....

You are exaggerating. Whoever has the mission definitely has the advantage. They have to follow you in and stalk you. You get to make the first move.

Again, I do think the situation is a bit harsh, but people doing level 3/4 COSMOS missions are not newbies. They should know better than to casually run through a COSMOS like it's a joy ride -- certainly not when it contains storyline items that are 100% essential.

In the days of Yor an industrial had an even worse tank such that killing them was easier. So tank potential was improved such that the answer to the "problem" was it's now up to those who fly them, given the extra defensive potential, to equip properly. Now when one just has to be an obsessive min-maxer and fails to tank his indy it's certifiable that it was indeed the victims fault. You see the solution was already offered up.

The question was "what chance has an industrial?". An answer arrived in the form of industrials having better tanking potential. Now the question is being asked "What chance has a mission runner?".

Since there was no prescription for industrials along the lines of "have it ringed with remote rep domis or GTFO", I would like to see if there's a better way for mission runners.

Or why even have missions?

If no comparable solution is offered, yet missions are not removed from the game, then perhaps they exists only to give certain players some meta-jollies?

The problem with suicide ganking of industrials was grounded in ships not equipped for combat being attacked. So their defenses from combat were improved.

With missions, the module loadout needed for them differs from that of PVP. Hence we have a similar issue. "what chance has a mission runner"? The usual pablum of replies ensues, as expected. Nothing is solved. People get to feel better about themselves for a few moments.

So, should missions be reconfigured to being do-able in PVP configurations?


Were it up to me, a mission such as what the OP brings up would have a PVP element in it such that people would be more enticed to steal the Wei. I would put in opportunities to trade them for LP with pirate factions or up standings similar to the providing of pirate tags to up security status. That is, make this a two-way street so everybody can enjoy these conveniences. Under this circumstance, it would be known ahead of time how much is really at stake.

And for such a thing, there would be howls of protest. Why? Because past proposals to give players more insight to potential outcomes, like a combat sim mode for ships to test fittings for example, were frowned upon. There are a lot of "Pirates" (or griefers - those who admit it it) who depend solely on their victim simply not knowing better. If the mission description for "damsel" and other such missions requiring an item returned to an agent had a warning about this sort of thing, the same people would be complaining in these very forums. Yet if a cop wanted to arrest them for something they didn't know about doing, having someone say "ignorance of the law is no excuse" would really grate on them.

They still can't get over The Button.

One of the first things I tell noobs about is mission item theft. The other is why they should not linger outside a station with a broken tank on a glitter boat. The third thing I tell them about is how to tank a hauler such that it takes more ISK to kill it and not to carry more ISK than is worth what could be used to kill it. This is how I do a disservice to people who rely on their targets simply not knowing better, and then acting like they bested a worthy opponent.

But I come from a day when noobs were rarely popped in lowsec unless really asking for it or acting like a scout but people who were expected to know better, as indicated by their time in the game or what they were flying, received no mercy.