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Armageddon for Level 4's
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Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#1 - 2013-12-30 20:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Silverdaddy
I took a year off, and things have changed somewhat in Eve while I was away.

I'm currently doing level 4's in a legion, which is a bit slow. I noticed that there have been changes to the Armageddon to make it into a drone carrier, which is appealing. I know that the Dominix is a *better* drone carrier, but that isn't in the cards for a while

So, I'm just finishing up a few skills so that I can use Tech 2 sentries and Tech 2 heavy drones. Given the fact that it's nice to be able to select damage type, I was gravitating toward missiles for my high slots (whatever I put in my highs will be secondary to drones). For level 4's, what would be better in combination with drones... Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers, or Cruise Missile Launchers? The former are new to me, but I understand that there have been changes to cruise missile balancing as well and I was wondering which might be better.

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.
Sid Crash
#2 - 2013-12-30 22:36:57 UTC
Don't bother with heavies for now, get T2 sentries and focus on support skills. Base would look something like this, if you don't feel at ease with that tank add another EM hardener. Fit extra damage to taste but unbonused weapons are terrible dps and just fck up your fitting.



[Armageddon, LVL 4 Sansha]
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

100MN Afterburner II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Heavy Nosferatu II
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Garde II x5
Curator II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-30 22:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Miasmos
Silverdaddy wrote:
I took a year off, and things have changed somewhat in Eve while I was away.

I'm currently doing level 4's in a legion, which is a bit slow. I noticed that there have been changes to the Armageddon to make it into a drone carrier, which is appealing. I know that the Dominix is a *better* drone carrier, but that isn't in the cards for a while

So, I'm just finishing up a few skills so that I can use Tech 2 sentries and Tech 2 heavy drones. Given the fact that it's nice to be able to select damage type, I was gravitating toward missiles for my high slots (whatever I put in my highs will be secondary to drones). For level 4's, what would be better in combination with drones... Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers, or Cruise Missile Launchers? The former are new to me, but I understand that there have been changes to cruise missile balancing as well and I was wondering which might be better.


Two main methods:

1) MJD Curator/Bouncer/Warden. 600-700dps from 100km+ drone range to targets with zero transversal, only sentry skills required.

[Armageddon, Newbie PVE MJD]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

Curator II x5
Bouncer II x5


2) 30-80km gank fit with cruise missiles and Gardes. Reaches approx. 1000-1200dps with decent application, being on the level of a Dominix with the pure damage type. I haven't got this one in EFT finished, might check it later... Edit: here, fits much easier with corpus C-type hardeners and tanks more with them; if you want to fit an AB you should consider the C-types.

[Armageddon, PVE 80km]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#4 - 2013-12-31 06:55:53 UTC
I actually use a tankier sit still in mission and apply 700-900 dps fit with t2 cruises and flights of medium and heavy drones.


Most of the time though you cant use heavies due to mission aggro.


Nice things is selectable damage types. Downside is resist profiles tend to be pretty meh.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-12-31 08:49:22 UTC
Just an idea but if you have both solid Laser and Drones skills, you may want to look at the Armageddon Navy Issue, no bonus for drones but it retain the huge drone bay with a double turret bonus.
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#6 - 2013-12-31 13:46:00 UTC
Thanks for the feedback!

I take it that, were I to use missiles, that cruises are a better overall option than RHML?

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#7 - 2013-12-31 13:48:01 UTC
Odithia wrote:
Just an idea but if you have both solid Laser and Drones skills, you may want to look at the Armageddon Navy Issue, no bonus for drones but it retain the huge drone bay with a double turret bonus.


Yeah, I might get one of those ships for missions where Lasers are optimal. I still need to work up my proficiency for large turrets, though, so it isn't an immediate option.

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#8 - 2013-12-31 23:35:01 UTC
The above fits were far to frail and you will lose ships with them.

Don't be shy about using shields on this ship.

When using missiles and a vamp you will have plenty of cap to feed a shield tanked fit.

It's also a style that will help you train toward a rattlesnake without wasting SP on unrelated skills. (( Highly Recommended ))

If you go for a balanced/raw DPS approach with shields you can see 1000-1100 DPS, 300 m/s constant speed, 400 mission specific tank v.s. blood/sansha and far higher v.s. other npc groups, all while cap stable.

Be willing to spend for a faction/complex shield booster / Large armor repair.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-01-02 09:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Verity Sovereign
The Rattlesnake blows, unless you are doing solo PvE content harder than lvl 4s and actually need its tank

Its got worse DPS than a geddon.
You must be terribad if you need that much tank, and think the previous fits were too squishy.

Shield tanking it
1) Makes it even squishier than the fits you said were too frail (especially if its in amarr space against BR/Sansha)
2) means you won't have space for omni links, which will lower the applied drone DPS, ie the majority of your DPS.
Shield tanking the geddon is a terribad idea.
Shield tanking a domi which has more mid slots, and already has "built in" omni links due to its bonus, is another story.

A rattlesnake will just take loner to finish a mission than a Domi/Navy Domi, takes longer to train for, and is more expensive.

If a Domi "isn't in the cards" for him, a rattlesnake, certainly isn't.

T2 Gardes with 2-3x omni IIs/fed navy omnis will have sufficient range for most rats, and you can carry curators/bouncers/wardens as well for the rats that are out of range.
I would also support using missiles on the geddon.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2014-01-02 18:54:14 UTC
i would agree with the above advice, with the caveat that the rattlesnake is actually fantastic (active fit).

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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-01-02 22:58:22 UTC
I have a Rattlesnake, and its not "terrible".... but for the standard level 4, its "meh"

I can't do much with its launchers... there are only 4 of them after all, and it has so few low slots, and thats where the DDAs go.
My missile range skills are only at lvl 4, maybe if I had them higher and T2 torps, I could do something with its launchers + range bonus, since torps do more DPS (although this would only help vs battleships really),
But to me it seems like its 3rd bonus is just a waste... a damage application bonus to a weapon system that the hull doesn't really use.... wasting a bonus on 4 launchers... and the bonus doesn't even increase their damage.... lame

To me, its effectively a 2 bonus ship (even worse than the nightmare, with its role bonus that is basically just reduced cap and crystal consumption).... putting it on par with other T1 ships in that respect (sure, its still got an extra slot, and nice base stats... although its shield recharge time is the only thing that stands out).

Its a shield domi with a bonus to tank, and without a bonus to drone range and tracking.... for lvl 4s, I don't need the rattlesnake's awesome tank (although I use it on some of the epic arcs).

If I don't need the extra drone range and tracking, then I'll take a navy Domi, which has a more useful bonus to its highs, and more highs that make use of that bonus. Navy domis can really put out the DPS.
Or I'll take the geddon... more weapon highs for more DPS if thats what I want in place of drone range and tracking.

If I won't be needing the tank of the RS, it stays in the hangar. As I don't take anything bigger than a BC outside of HS... my rattlesnake typically stays in the hangar....

Its even worse now that I have an Ishtar (Note, I haven't gotten Gal BS to V, but I do have Amarr BS there, so only counting drones my geddon out DPSs my rattler and domi, My ishtar atm also out DPSs my Domi, but thats just because of my skill set)