Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know there have been a couple of threads before, but I will bring this up again. This is simply my own feeling about the subject so you are free to disagree or agree. I also saw Jester's take on this subject back in 2011 and I am surprised there has not been any progress.

As everything in eve, we try to maximize what we do. This goes for attributes mapping. To fly properly ships you need a lot of both int/mem and will/power skills. Problem with this, that once you set a plan and suddenly would like to train that longer skill of opposite attributes, tough luck, you are going to spend a lot more time. Don't use +4/+5s learning implants and that will be twice as long.

I took as an example Amarr Carrier V from eveMon. If I set wrong attributes with no learning implants I get 80 days of train time. Now if I maximize attributes and get +5s, I get this below 47 days. That's bloody 42% less training time. This should not be like this.

Where does this demotivate me personally? I never, or in very rare occasions, use implants other than learning ones just because the time difference is so massive. If they went away, I would use bunch of "fun" implants that add extra bonuses. A lot of implants are useless and traded 1-2 pc in JIta, just because there are only very few sets/situations when you use other than learning implants.

I also do not go to lol around in null even if i would like to. Solely because of learning implants. I could ignore the bonus and maybe at some point in the future I will, but now I just dont feel like losing all that time when there are things in the pipeline i want to train for. This is opportunity fights lost due current way skills training works. I am sure there are many people like me who just stick around in losec or WH space, just because to not get podded that often.

To end this, I would like to remind everyone how well was removval of learning skills met. I am sure it would be the same with attributes. I could waste ships left and right and ignore I did not waste precious training while i did so.

And risk/reward with both losing implants and going +5s instead of Low/Highgrades.

Should be kept.

And you can remap your attributes every year after your three remaps are used.

The End

his point is that not using them will put you at a large disadvantage against someone else that started playing at the same time as you who did use them.

And?

As everyone else has said, it is part of the risk/reward kind of choices which are the cornerstone of eve.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying you HAVE to remap or use implants. We all get the same base rate SP/hr.

What you choose to do beyond that is your choice. Where is the problem?

As an example I have never used beyond +3 implants due to my living in relatively harse EVE environments. Yes I train slower than the HS carebear flying around with his +5's. But that was my choice.

Also, beyond your 1st to 2nd year (and definitely beyond) it becomes far less critical. At my stage of the game already (which is nothing compare to many) I can already fly more ships than I have ever had time or isk to try.

Yes, but when you start playing EVE, most people will have been playing anywhere from a month to ten years longer than you, so there's always going to be a SP disparity and doing away with implants, remaps, etc. won't change that.

Implants have a nice spread of risk vs. reward that I don't think needs changing- as Xero says, maybe there needs to be better education, the UI needs to be more clear, or more people need to learn to use EVEMon :P

There has been talk before about booster like implants. Similar to the Cerebral Accelerator. It would be great to have both in the game.
Example:
Basic Cerebral Ocular - +1 Perception for 30 Days
Advanced Cerebral Memory Augmentation - +3 Memory for 30 Days.
Standard Cerebra Neural Boost - +5 Willpower for 30 Days.

If you get podded, you keep them. Perhaps they should cost the same, or a bit less considering they only last 30 days.

That way they are a 30 day isk sink that doesn't prevent PVP.

Not my idea, it's been posted many times, and many people seemed to like the idea.

I understand what you wrote but I don't buy it. Of course, there is all this choices and consequences bullshit but in my opinion it doesn't add meaningful depth to the game. To me it's an annoyance at best and min-max optimizing at worst. Not to the point when I would lead a crusade against it but anyway if CCP decided to remove it from the game, I would be one of those who'd welcome this decision.

P.S. It's "versus".

The talk is about attributes.

I don't buy the "risk vs. reward" rhetoric applied to this particular part of the game mechanics. It's more like yet another thing to be maintained. I can live with it and without it I would be at least as happy as I am. In either case, the way I play the game wouldn't change much, if at all, which in itself is a good reason to remove it. On the other hand it is equally good reason not to invest dev time into said removal.

There need to be more affordable "interesting" implants for slots 1-5 for this to happen. There are already plenty of interesting and affordable slots for 6-10. If you're not already fitting betas or basics, there's not much else to use unless you want to put in an amount of isk that becomes prohibitively expensive. Personally I think having betas or basics along with some hardwires is fine.