EVE General Discussion

Why shouldn't I be allowed to interfere?
Do you not understand what a sandbox is?

Why do you demand CONCORD protection be extended to simple interference with PVE?

Re-read what i wrote. It's player generated PvE which affects other players else than the mission runner and the wannabe gankers. CONCORD is a NPC third party that protects the interests of the player third parties affected by the mission.

A player shall win and another shall lose depending on how the mission turns, but they don't have any control on the mission as it's been delivered anonymously to a unknown misison runner. Why should they be affected by a win earned through cheating (mission runner brings a blob) or a miss caused by ganking?

Please don't tell me that you think people who farm missions for PLEX are entitled to that PLEX every month.

Because we all know people of all types would be picking up the slack.

I think you're correct. EVE is a fantastic game imo but CCP is amateurish, nepotist, and ignorant of its main playerbase. They've had a good run because there hasnt been a competitor but like you said when that changes the 80% of its customers it ignores might decide they're tired of being 2nd class subscribers.



While I don't agree that Concord should intervene in low security space you're obvious feelings of entitlement to interfere with and disrupt missions in low as easily and safely as you currently can is just as carebear as wanting Concord protection.

In any pvp / pve engagement both carebear's and pvprs expect 100% success and safety. I believe that is a bad thing. No one can be criticized for not wanting to PvE in low when they necessarily have to fit against known damage types, are so easily probed out and fitting against them is so effective and easy.

Something as simple as timers on acceleration gates (1 ship per 60 seconds), extra spawns to aggro nuetral interlopers, omni damage npcs so all pve'rs can omni tank and similiar changes to make pve'rs able to defend against pvp'rs would be useful to make pve in low less suicidal.

Hah, it has carriers assigning fighters instead of sentry drones.

Well, Hilmar was quite more explicit about the hopes that Valkyrie could lure new players into EVE, in his interview for Wired:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-12/24/eve-valkyrie



How that translates into neglecting your hisec playerbase and their monies in favor of the noisiy but SMALL nullsec lobby, with a plan for THREE YEARS that means nothing (possibly good) for hisec and absolutely nothing for new players, can't be explained properly without quoting some Infinity Ziona:



CCP and EVE are a "One hit wonder". And that's showing.

derp, dbl post....

I will fully admit i only read the first 2 or 3 pages, so this might already have been mentioned.

So far i have seen a lot of older players saying that new players are leaving because of this and that, that no one (or few) are staying, and that CCP needs to change things because obviously its not working.

And, i cant agree.
EVE has never been the kind of game that everyone, or even most, people can get into. Thats what makes the game unique, makes the people you play with "special". Sure most of the people that start the game quit within 6 months, but the ones that do stay often end up being highly addicted and stay around for years.
If EVE became "mainstream" i think some of the uniqueness would disappear, and a lot of the "atmosphere" would go with it.

No matter how much CCP changes the new player experience this wont change unless CCP drastically changes the game as a whole, and in that case you can say good bye to a lot of the vets (not counting the ones that keeps their accounts active just to make sure the skill que is still going).

For many of you, you started before CCP improved the tutorials, made it so "safe" to be a new player (thinking about the no scamming/ganking/baiting rules, that now also is applied to non rookie systems), and you managed to fight trough it and learned to love EVE for what it is, ruthless, harsh, frustrating, aggravating and annoyingly addictive.

Of course after some years you get burned out, you get bored, you want new things to do, but that has nothing to do with new players and why they leave, so a completely separate discussion all together.

So, what can be done to help new players?
Don't put all the responsibility on CCP. When you come across a new player help them out, answer questions, hang around in the help channel, warn the noob that is about to get scammed in Jita local, blow them up and then tell them what they could have done differently, point them towards corporations you know that can help that player learn.

EVE needs to remain harsh, but that does not mean that the players cant stop going "yarr" for a few minutes and remember how lost they felt when they first started

No need to 'shield' them forever. Just long enough to give them a chance to get to know the game enough to love it. You gotta admit that the type of player (PK) who LIKES ganking is the extreme minority. Most people have no interest in doing it, and hate it when it happens to them. WHy would they play a game where what happens to them causes that sort of feeling?

As to the "Eve has 2 types of players: the vet sociopaths and the non-sociopath temporary targets" mentality? How long with the vet's with the army of free alts be able to maintain Eve? Has Eve ever, in 10+ years gone over 40k *paying* subscribers? Has it ever gotten to 30K *paying* subscribers?

But this simply highlights what I said earlier. I WANT to like Eve, and I WANT to play it long-term. It's the only Sci-Fi sandbox-ish game out there. Hell, it's one of the few sandbox games at all out there right now. But the game is only fun long term if you are willing to receive and possibly dish out PK behavior. There are many, many MMO's out there that manage to encourage both PvE and Pv playstyle in the same game.

Hell, I could probably be happy if they just got rid of most blobs, and the active encouragement CCP gives scammers. After all, I'm finally over 8 million SP, and can finally start maybe being effective at stuff.