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How do you handle drone aggro?
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Ice Sharisa
Hamstered
#21 - 2014-01-02 04:59:51 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Ice Sharisa wrote:
HK -56 wrote:
I hope this question hasn't already been beat to death.

I'm new to EVE and decide to run missions for ISK. Money seems good. The pacing of most missions matches my playstyle (exploration did not!). I fly a battleship into level 4 missions (Security). Ship is a Raven class, with lots of light drones in the bay. I am not too terrible at monitoring drones I think, its very similar to the Watch Lists in fleets.

However tonight, doing a mission on my own I had a problem that is more than annoying: Running The Assault against wicked Serpentis, my drones were getting smacked around hard. I recalled and let the launchers fly, hitting targets of size biggest to smallest (battleship -> battlecruiser -> cruiser -> destroyer -> frigate).

My missiles did little to deter the frigates. They were hitting for estimated 5% of their HP each volley and every time I would deploy drones to end the misery quicker, they would instantly (and I mean FAST!) shoot down my lovely little monsters.

Being able to activate the warp gate took forever because of the frigs. What do?


Your doing WHAT? Seriously shoot up the sizes not down. Unless its a spawn trigger all the frigs/cruiser/batlle cruisers should already be dead before they get close to you. Also use only light drones or sentry, the others are just a waste.


When I first started flying a Raven I would always kill the battleships first. The reason being is often it would take more volleys to kill a cruiser than a battleship. Skills, rigs, and implants help offset this. Even with very high skills the number of volleys it takes to kill a frigate is silly. By the time you kill that one frigate you could have had several larger ships dead and reduced incoming DPS.


Using Torps? They are the missile mission runners mainstay(They hit harder and more accurately then cruise/pretty much standard info for short verses long weapons) Also skill up you should at least be hitting cruisers for full damage so picking them and the bcs off. Then using your light drones to chew frigs(after the frigs go from yellow box to red) Target painters are a must if you play with missions with alot of smaller trash npcs(anything smaller then a BS)
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-02 15:32:39 UTC
Ice Sharisa wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Ice Sharisa wrote:
HK -56 wrote:
I hope this question hasn't already been beat to death.

I'm new to EVE and decide to run missions for ISK. Money seems good. The pacing of most missions matches my playstyle (exploration did not!). I fly a battleship into level 4 missions (Security). Ship is a Raven class, with lots of light drones in the bay. I am not too terrible at monitoring drones I think, its very similar to the Watch Lists in fleets.

However tonight, doing a mission on my own I had a problem that is more than annoying: Running The Assault against wicked Serpentis, my drones were getting smacked around hard. I recalled and let the launchers fly, hitting targets of size biggest to smallest (battleship -> battlecruiser -> cruiser -> destroyer -> frigate).

My missiles did little to deter the frigates. They were hitting for estimated 5% of their HP each volley and every time I would deploy drones to end the misery quicker, they would instantly (and I mean FAST!) shoot down my lovely little monsters.

Being able to activate the warp gate took forever because of the frigs. What do?


Your doing WHAT? Seriously shoot up the sizes not down. Unless its a spawn trigger all the frigs/cruiser/batlle cruisers should already be dead before they get close to you. Also use only light drones or sentry, the others are just a waste.


When I first started flying a Raven I would always kill the battleships first. The reason being is often it would take more volleys to kill a cruiser than a battleship. Skills, rigs, and implants help offset this. Even with very high skills the number of volleys it takes to kill a frigate is silly. By the time you kill that one frigate you could have had several larger ships dead and reduced incoming DPS.


Using Torps? They are the missile mission runners mainstay(They hit harder and more accurately then cruise/pretty much standard info for short verses long weapons) Also skill up you should at least be hitting cruisers for full damage so picking them and the bcs off. Then using your light drones to chew frigs(after the frigs go from yellow box to red) Target painters are a must if you play with missions with alot of smaller trash npcs(anything smaller then a BS)


I use cruise missiles because of the extra range. I want to test out torps when I actually get some time to play.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#23 - 2014-01-02 16:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
I ran with torps on my scorpion about a year ago, really hated chasing everything down at range. Though now with the mjd... hmmm... though I've gotten use to extended range on targeting which can be pretty plush. But been thinking of trying a couple on the CNR, but still not so good on many missions, so much range on them, and the big aggro bubbles. Worst thing was trying to use them against elite frigs.

—Ω—
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-01-02 16:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Ice Sharisa wrote:
They are the missile mission runners mainstay(They hit harder and more accurately then cruise/pretty much standard info for short verses long weapons)



Shocked

Just .... Shocked


Unless by mission runners, you mean Golem pilots.
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#25 - 2014-01-02 17:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Walkuris
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
You have 75 m3 bay and 50 bandwidth with your Raven.

The drones you are looking for are Vespas.

They are great v.s. frigs.
They have the highest shield pool for medium drones so you can wash more damage easier.
Frigs ignore them a lot more than they do with lights.
They are have the best tracking/dps/speed ratio of all 4 races mediums.

Carry a set of hobs with the last 25 m3 if you happen to get something that seems too fast for them.

Other things that will help:

Target painter. (( These help drones too! ))
Web. (( If you already have a tp and need more help add this ))
T2 Cruise missile launchers.
The precision missiles can really help you mob up after the big things are dead if drones nee extra help.
Rigor rig. (( More than one is over kill ))
Get all your secondary drone and missile skills to 4.

Drone omni's can help but on a raven it's not worth wasting a mid slot.


Listen to him, he knows. Another thing he didn't mention, is that caldari drones have the most range which is a massive buff to engagement time. Usually things orbit around 10-20 km away from each other, the bouncing from target to target is something caldari drones do really well too about on par with minmatar drones.
Caldari drones are the most under-appreciated and i.m.h.o. they are the best all-round drones.
My applied dps is higher with wardens vs angels and anything with kinetic/thermal weakness, I use only vespa, hornets and hobs in the non sentry category. Although I am going to fit minmatar heavies for angels sometime soon when i get myself a decent computer again. P.S. I fly a rattler so a domi might get different sentry results but should produce the same results for light/med/heavy.
Ginger Barbarella
#26 - 2014-01-02 19:18:34 UTC
Ice Sharisa wrote:

Using Torps? They are the missile mission runners mainstay



No, torps are NOT the "mainstay" of missile mission runners. Maybe L4 FW mission runners at some point in the past, but no. No, several times over. Lol

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
HK -56
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-01-05 06:54:46 UTC
Thank you all very much for your replies; it has helped immensely!

o7
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