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Heavy metal is OP!
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Cat's Squirrel
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-12-31 00:28:14 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2013-12-31 01:29:40 UTC
Quote:
Speed metal, as this subgenre is called, has become so fast that drummers can't keep up. Instead, more bands have quietly switched to using computerized drum machines.


More like Nerf Botting.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-31 02:35:42 UTC
Lars Ulrich has robot legs

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

I love Science, it gives me a Hadron.
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-31 09:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Frank Millar
Pfft.

I like me some blastbeats (Fleshgod Apocalypse, Morbid Angel), and it's dandy and all, but if the music is ****, nothing's been accomplished.

Added thoughts, because I was running out of time earlier:

Using rattling drumcomputers will result in another subgenre, because it can't be called "Heavy Metal" any longer.

There might be an audience for it, because there is some NOISE out there (and not all of it is metal, I might add), but I can't be bothered. It's freaking pointless.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#5 - 2013-12-31 12:06:33 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Quote:
Speed metal, as this subgenre is called, has become so fast that drummers can't keep up. Instead, more bands have quietly switched to using computerized drum machines.


More like Nerf Botting.



I was going to come in a say nerf drum machines, but as normal you beat me to the best possible reply.

Well played yet again Us@E!

All I will say is Martin Lopez.
Dead Shade
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-31 14:00:04 UTC
Guitarists are facing similar issues. Thankfully, John Petrucci is here to help.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2013-12-31 14:06:24 UTC
I can certainly understand the sentiment here, but I'm never going to rest until I hear of the Final Death of AutoTune.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#8 - 2013-12-31 14:33:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I can certainly understand the sentiment here, but I'm never going to rest until I hear of the Final Death of AutoTune.


Not gonna happen as long as everyone want to be a pop star.

-k8

My Fanclub
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2013-12-31 14:57:22 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I can certainly understand the sentiment here, but I'm never going to rest until I hear of the Final Death of AutoTune.


Not gonna happen as long as everyone want to be a pop star.


Well, at least we can blame Cher.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#10 - 2013-12-31 16:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Frank Millar wrote:
Pfft.

I like me some blastbeats (Fleshgod Apocalypse, Morbid Angel), and it's dandy and all, but if the music is ****, nothing's been accomplished.

Added thoughts, because I was running out of time earlier:

Using rattling drumcomputers will result in another subgenre, because it can't be called "Heavy Metal" any longer.

There might be an audience for it, because there is some NOISE out there (and not all of it is metal, I might add), but I can't be bothered. It's freaking pointless.

Exactly. Programmed drumming is a sacrilege, and anything using it can't really be called true Meh-tal. Metal requires rage and aggression, and computers can't do that. Only angry sweaty human drummers can.

This drum machine stuff can join bands like Dragonforce in some other subgenre. Dragonforce's ultraspeed guitarists record their riffs in like 3-6 second increments, then splice everything together with Pro Tools. And use the same to correct any deviations in rhythm/tempo, to make everything correctly fit into the song's time signature. Before a concert tour, they have to go through hell to learn to play the songs all the way through, live.

But this debate has been going on since the 60s, when recording engineers first started holding their thumbs on tape reels for the "flange" sound. Or in the 80s, when Brian Eno sped up the recorded guitar track on "Pride (In the Name of Love)" to faster than The Edge could physically play it in concert. If humans can't play it live, is it "cheating" and not really pure music?
Zoe Kaltana
Kaltana Industries
#11 - 2013-12-31 16:24:04 UTC
Noticing thread about too fast drummings starting by Testament drummer.

Correcting that initial issue into a more ontopic entitiy.

drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt!

Pinups | Bloodhorses
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2013-12-31 17:08:31 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

Exactly. Programmed drumming is a sacrilege, and anything using it can't really be called true Meh-tal.


I agree sacrilege as far as Metal is concerned, but not for electronica and prog house, etc...........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kairavi Mrithyakara
#13 - 2013-12-31 17:18:46 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I can certainly understand the sentiment here, but I'm never going to rest until I hear of the Final Death of AutoTune.


Not gonna happen as long as everyone want to be a pop star.


Easy solution; Kill 'em all.
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-01-01 13:26:38 UTC
Cher has been dead for a while now.

It's just that mummification procedures have come a long way since ancient Egypt. P
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#15 - 2014-01-01 23:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:

Exactly. Programmed drumming is a sacrilege, and anything using it can't really be called true Meh-tal.


I agree sacrilege as far as Metal is concerned, but not for electronica and prog house, etc...........

Agreed there, Krixtal. Speaking of which, check out how many layers of digital/programmed tracks are on a Shpongle song. Pretty amazing. Simon Posford can play that live, too (with some assistance maybe).
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#16 - 2014-01-02 12:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
I will say that I like music that is artificially produced. I just hate when those that utilize technology or new and/or alternative toys, to create music, try to hide it.

Play with sound like Mike Patton

If you want to stretch the boarders of music do it in the open like Les Claypool

EDIT:

I mean, if we want to be pure about it, then we need to criticize the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Pete Townsend, and Jimi Page; right?
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-03 03:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
LMAO @ "speed metal". I guess it's 1988 all over again. Lemme break out some DRI since we're talking about "speed metal", heheh.

Blasting and double kicks have become so cliche' and overused in metal today that it's not even interesting anymore; it's all a pissing contest for who can blast and kick the fastest. Yes, I love Nile, Fleshgod Apocalypse, some Behemoth, etc., but death metal has gotten so stale because now it's just one big giant technique-fest. Doom metal is now about the only subgenre that has anywhere to go and any room to grow. You can really do anything with doom these days, and it's not about playing slowly and depressing anymore. You've got the standard funeral and gothic doom, of course, but there's also stoner, sludge, post, cosmic/spacey doom, desert rock, etc. The difference between Electric Wizard and Anathema is so vast that it might as well be Barry Manilow.

I've played in uber technical metal bands before and now it's just dull. People have gotten so caught up in technique that they forgot how to write a song.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-01-03 04:01:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Frank Millar wrote:
Pfft.

I like me some blastbeats (Fleshgod Apocalypse, Morbid Angel), and it's dandy and all, but if the music is ****, nothing's been accomplished.

Added thoughts, because I was running out of time earlier:

Using rattling drumcomputers will result in another subgenre, because it can't be called "Heavy Metal" any longer.

There might be an audience for it, because there is some NOISE out there (and not all of it is metal, I might add), but I can't be bothered. It's freaking pointless.

Exactly. Programmed drumming is a sacrilege, and anything using it can't really be called true Meh-tal. Metal requires rage and aggression, and computers can't do that. Only angry sweaty human drummers can.

This drum machine stuff can join bands like Dragonforce in some other subgenre. Dragonforce's ultraspeed guitarists record their riffs in like 3-6 second increments, then splice everything together with Pro Tools. And use the same to correct any deviations in rhythm/tempo, to make everything correctly fit into the song's time signature. Before a concert tour, they have to go through hell to learn to play the songs all the way through, live.

But this debate has been going on since the 60s, when recording engineers first started holding their thumbs on tape reels for the "flange" sound. Or in the 80s, when Brian Eno sped up the recorded guitar track on "Pride (In the Name of Love)" to faster than The Edge could physically play it in concert. If humans can't play it live, is it "cheating" and not really pure music?


Now wait a second. Are you talking about drum machines or triggers? Those are two things that have nothing to do with each other. In the article, Fenriz wasn't talking about drum machines, he was talking about triggers. Everyone uses triggers in a live setting these days because it's just easier and quicker to set up and get the sound you want by having the signal of the kick running straight to the mixer via midi instead of fiddling with mic placement for an hour. It's the equivalent of a stomp box for a bass drum. A drum machine, on the other hand, is a pre-programmed drum set in its entirety; it's basically playback.

It depends on the style of metal. Fear Factory should use triggers because they're very industrial-sounding. Electric Wizard shouldn't because they have a warmer sound.
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-03 11:29:18 UTC
Astenion wrote:
LMAO @ "speed metal". I guess it's 1988 all over again. Lemme break out some DRI since we're talking about "speed metal", heheh.

I've got to agree with this. "Speed Metal" is an ancient term, and the fact that it's now supposedly used for something else entirely leaves me wondering if the author of that article even knows what he's talking about. The article reeks of sensationalism and seems pretty pointless to me.

* blasts away *
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-01-03 12:29:52 UTC
It should be noted, however, that bands like Samael use live drum machines and use them well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgTnzgEtG3w
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