Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would like to highlight a couple of spots in the OP for the haters:



While to me it is certainly inconvenient and annoying to be shut out of an escalation due to sec status, I can deal with it just fine by either grabbing an alt or by just doing something else more profitable than playing the plexing loot roulette. It's not even a big issue for anyone in my corp, since we're dirty socialists with safety nets, free stuff and alternative income sources that do not require high security status.

What do you tell a few-weeks-old newbie who wants to get into piracy without losing all his income, though? "CCP added easier exploration sites to lowsec with Rubicon to help out with that... except not really, because you should not do any piracy if you want to take full advantage of them." That just seems wrong.

So, addressing the common "**** off" responses I see so far, which Meyr has nicely summed up:


1. Yeah, it is, though usually when a super duper mean PvPer tells a newbie this, they are referring to Eve being harsh and dangerous because of player interactions and conflict, not because of asinine mechanics. You want to kill me in my escalation because Eve is harsh and dangerous? Fine! You're free to try. It however makes no sense that an escalation to fight tougher pirates leads you to a place where the police summarily kills you.

2. I use plenty of alts, but I have had 4 years to get to a place to do that. What do you suggest for someone who simply does not have alts?

3. The hostility here is because to those familiar with PvP, flying an untanked ship, being AFK, and expecting not to die is just inconceivable. I have no issue with miners who tank their barges, or those who take care to stay aligned and d-scan.

If fitting a tank or being at your keyboard created a NPC-enforced barrier against your gameplay, the situation would be more similar.

4. Spending a few days doing nothing but trying to fix your sec status is not a "small bit of ratting", and is unreasonable as a solution to "how do I run this escalation to this lowsec site?"

5. The solution to everything, but unfortunately so many in Eve are either unable or unwilling to do it. Or their corps just suck.

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Another angle on the issue:

1. You choose a lowsec lifestyle
2. CCP tells you that exploration is a viable source of income to support that
3. Conflict and contradiction! Almost all lowsec activities are mutually exclusive to taking full advantage of lowsec exploration, because of sec status woes

To fix this, go one of two ways. Either (1) fix it so being a resident in lowsec is enough to live off lowsec, or (2) drop the pretense that lowsec exploration is for lowsec residents and refer to it as it is: an extra source of complexes for hisec residents who like to pretend they're taking a huge edgy risk.

Sometimes I like those threads that contain words/phrases like "should" in general, "supposed to be" or "how the game should be". :)

I think it's not such a big issue as it might appear.
A "few-weeks-old newbie" will probably not have a -10 and if this newbie has gathered this sec-status and knows how to survive in low-sec and makes his eve-living from exploration, he/she will just search another site and go on.

Fly safe.

+1 and lowsec is extremely easy to survive no matter your age.. just need to have precautions and do some research, nothing like some players make it out to be. Makes me think you have only been to lowsec once or twice.

Do I read Pirate carebear tears?
You know the rules of the game.

To be allowed to enter high-sec you need to have a minimum security rating or you will be hunted down, you are hunted down because of your actions.

I would like to re arrange the questions, should hostile actions result in a standings decrease in low-sec?
Near gates and stations it should be a matter of a faction standing, but elsewhere there should be no decrease beause there is no concord or faction to record the hostile action.

This would however mean that people camping gates in low-sec and ganking at stations will soon be hated by the local faction, but should be safe from concord.
While ganking in 0,5 - 1,0 should result in a more severe reduction in security rating but also a faction standing decrease.

So the nub of the complaint is that they added extra combat sites to low sec and because some pilots can't follow the route due to -10 these extra sites are a nerf to low sec.........
logic strong suit detected.
just an idea though..... don't run these new extra sites if you worry they might goto high sec and just run the ones you always used to that are present in the same numbers as before.

'Piracy' doesn't come with a -10 tag, your -10 tag comes from shooting anything that moves and not bothering to fix sec, in order for you to 'help newbies' like you claim to be doing you should be showing them how to operate as a pirate while staying above -2. (Personally I don't see why -10 players are able to even dock in highsec)

As for the OPs original post, I see no reason why escalations shouldnt go back and forth, similarly I still see no reason why incursions shouldnt either, I feel Eve as a game would be better served should it have more cross-sec activities.

I don't believe that exploration sites should escalate into a different type of space at all, except for special cases.

However, you criminal scum need to learn to accept the consequences of your actions.

I dont think the hi-sec guys really understand what this is about.

If you do a site in hi-sec no game mechanic stops you from going to low-sec, it is you own mind which is scared of going into low-sec.

If a noob pirate does the site in low-sec, he has no way of ever being able to do the escalation in hi-sec, it isnt about his fit, it isnt about his attitude. It is impossible for him.

No one is asking for candy. Low Sec players don't ask for candy. We don't need it. There IS a problem though, with escalations for low sec sites going into high sec.

A friend scouting you or just some pre-caution and a high sec explorer CAN and usually will survive going into low sec. So long as they are patient and careful, and have someone(or an alt) scouting for them.

The reverse is not possible. It's not about 'Oh make this easy for me.' OP isn't asking for that. OP is asking for Low sec escalations to go to either low or Null. Both are acceptable. High sec, there is a blanket game mechanic which makes it impossible for the explorer to do, if their sec status is '-x'.


It's not about 'Oh I'm a pirate, make this easy for me.' We don't want that. Else we'd live in High sec.

Says the 5.0 POS Manager. No one is asking to be treated as 'good as non-pirates.' You just can't read.

It's also not about 'our risk as a criminal.' It's about a change in the game has caused things to spawn where they shouldn't. Our 'Risk as a Criminal' in this case would be if we could go into high sec but as long as we could avoid getting caught by the police we would be fine. That isn't possible. Nor can we grab our alt to just go and run the site because... oh, we have the bookmark. Also can't just ask a friend to sit on the site gate and holler if anything lands on it.


No one is asking for a favor. Just for things to not spawn where they shouldn't be. The 'Game Mechanic working as intended here' is working as intended when we jump in and warp quickly from system to system, or else get caught and die. That's working as intended. The point isn't High sec Killing us. We accept that without complaint. The point is that these escalations don't belong in high sec. Not for low sec sites. If anything they should all go to Null. Pirates get stronger as security gets weaker, not suddenly stronger in more secure space. Please go back to your Role playing POS maintenance.