Wormholes

I wanted to start a thread to discuss some good ideas that would make w-space ( and perhaps null) more interactive in terms of pvp. At the moment, all I see in w-space is fights for fights sake or catching people running pve sites. The combat can be fun for a while but then if people don't want to fight- they don't have to. I've been in fleets that have rage- rolled for hours on end and found nothing but a pve drake or a couple of slippery ventures harvesting gas. I seek challenging fights to learn to be a better pilot.

Here are some of the ones I was thinking about-

- Wormholes (and null regions) from c1-c6 should fluctuate in terms of value. PI, asteroid belts, moons and combat sites should increase in value in unoccupied / low population systems and decrease in value as population rises/ belts are mined and sites are cleared.

This would mean you could settle down in a region/ w-space system but your ISK income would steadily decline
or you could move around and fight over the more valuable regions, which would steadily decline
or you could split up into smaller groups and have your system/ region provide ISK at a steady rate


Upgrading the system would help but those upgrades would not be as good as moving to an unpopulated area where there is a great build up of pirate sites, asteroids, moon minerals and PI.

It would make sense in terms of NPC pirates gathering their strength in areas away from active pod pilots and resources being depleted on a planet/ moon/ belt.



- System 'upgrades' like a station or a POS should be minimal in terms of defense.

There should be enough storage for ships/ modules but anything else in terms of manufacturing/ research, system upgrades, local chat channel broadcasts, moon mining, PI, etc, etc should be on the outside of the shields/ station and be vulnerable to attack.


You would have to defend these structures from attackers. They would be balanced in terms of hit points- maybe with a short reinforce timer but the point is they could be attacked with small- medium gangs and you would have to actively defend your stuff. Thinking in terms of the new mobile deployable structures.


Also I think CCP should re-think how an alliance/ corp 'claims' a null system to be more streamlined- without the massive structure grinds to make the regions more 'fluid' instead of a large group settling in and making it almost impossible to make any impact in an area.

What other ideas do you guys have to create more conflict between groups of players?

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That's the thing though- if we find people to shoot and they don't want to shoot back they are fully protected by their POS shields or their station. Unless we bring out a massive force to reinforce the structure then wait in their system for however many hours we have to turn tail and look elsewhere.

I'm talking about something that gives the small- medium gangs something to do- threaten the smaller assets in the system so people have to come out and defend or lose their stuff.

Duke has a fair point, @ least someone cares about wormhole space!

hai guise!

polarized is here to save your space!

in all seriousness, until they change POSs nothing like this sounds fun at all, moving every few months means endless logistics to take down POSs and put them back up and that in itself isn't worth it.

Hey Duke, Happy New Year and hope things are well with Probe :)

On topic: While I would never support bringing null mechanics into wormholes, such as moon mining or SOV upgrading and so on, I will say that some of the mechanic issues you brought up could help null as well as our community. Something that I saw ages ago was a concept to have moons deplete through usage, then the material would fill in another moon elsewhere. On that note, I don't know how well the community would feel about bringing moon materials to wormholes or what effect this would have on the T2 market? Wormholes are the T3 community, so our focus should be on the content that drives that market. I wouldn't want to bring in more PVE to attract the wrong crowd.

POS's (and destructable stations) have been a topic in the past and we can agree, I think, that the mechanics for POS's and POS management need some love. I think that modular POS's, dockable, timers, defenses, and/or whatever changes they make with them will greatly effect how the community and other communities deal with goodfights, invasions, and defense. Whether the mechanical changes would "drive conflict", I don't think it will.

I would agree with Jack that we are the conflict drivers. In null, many of the large wars have raged due to groups disliking other groups, trashtalk, coalition building, and the meta-game. As wormholers, we have to create the content for ourselves. CCP changing the mechanics won't drive the conflict/content. Our groups will drive it through our interactions with one another.

That being said, some mechanical changes could help to provide more ingame opportunities for conflicts to begin. Of course those changes would only last until we find a work around, as we always do in our community. The object of the game is to find something to drive your membership and make it happen.

That's a good idea to have more connections and more traffic, but still- if you find someone they can still dock or POS up and unless you want to put a great amount of time and effort into cracking open their heavily defended POS or structure grind their POCOs / stations- the small- medium gang can not touch their stuffs.

I'd like to see some structures with a moderate amount of hit points that the small- medium gangs can threaten. The moon mining or POCOS or some other stuff that defenders have to defend or lose and attackers can take.

That's fine man... your opinion is just as valid as mine but don't you think that if someone moves out into supposedly lawless and dangerous space, it kind of defeats the object to have an indestructible station or a massive force-field protected base that requires a huge force to grind through hit points and waiting days for the chance to actually get to the defenders? If they show up!

And still they can log off or self destruct or escape in the time between attacking and reinforce timers?

I'm fine with people being 'protected' to a degree in high sec, but come on- once you venture into low/ null/ w-space you should be fighting to defend yourself and your assets out there.

That's why I suggested the force fields and stations should protect a certain amount of assets, but some should be able to be attacked by medium- smaller forces OUTSIDE the station/ POS where if you chose not to defend, then they would be lost to an attacker.

For example, something like reactions and manufacturing or PI stuffs should be done around a planet or POCO with a smaller number of hit points or a short reinforce timer. Something that would have to be defended or lost and re-built.

At the moment, small- medium gangs are no threat to anyone that builds a POS/ station. You don't have to protect or patrol the space you own because nothing is at risk until someone has done a massive structure grind and hours upon hours later (once you have self- destructed or escaped or logged off with all your expensive goodies) can actually threaten the stuff inside the shields.

Id like to take small- medium gangs out into w-space/null/low sec and be a menace to the people that live there and also have to actively patrol my home to protect what I have brought out into lawless space.

You cant buff small to medium gangs without it being exploited by larger forces. THeres nothing wrong with a 5 man gang hiding from a 10 man gang is perfectly understandable, with your idea people could come in wreck a system with just one guy in a pos because hes out of tz or whatever.

. not saying a conflict driver wouldnt be interesting but your idea is AWFUL. reinforce timers are there for a reason