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Viziam Amarr Empire 11,532
James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#21 - 2013-12-31 19:51:56 UTC 1 Funny how you people never seem to have any proof of that. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Prince Kobol

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#22 - 2013-12-31 19:53:42 UTC

Andski wrote:

Alphea Abbra wrote:

If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it.
It will have nothing to do with game balance.

Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do!

Well you can very easily predict what CCP will do as you have Mynnna on the CSM and before you say NDA there is no way on earth that Mynnna does not tell kittens what is going on behind closed doors.

Anybody who believes that Mynnna does not tell all is stupid in the extreme.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#23 - 2013-12-31 19:55:04 UTC | Edited by: Andski

Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

CSM guys tell alliance leaders what's in the oven...
You guys know exactly what is to come, but will never admit it cos you'll loose that tool and NDA info over almost instantly...

Prince Kobol wrote:

Sadly, your tinfoil is wrong. CSM members don't discuss NDA-covered information with members of their alliances - even leadership - because anybody is liable to shift allegiances at any time. The consequences of being exposed for breaching a legally binding NDA extend further than the loss of a CSM seat; a potential (or even current) employer learning that you have a history of breaching such contracts can affect your RL career in a very undesirable way. And that is assuming that CCP doesn't take legal action!

Feel free to ask Gorga, Vince, Grath, etc. whether the CSM members in their respective alliances share any NDA information with them. It's quite simple, they don't, because it's a stupid idea.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

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Caviar Liberta The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 894	#24 - 2013-12-31 19:56:17 UTC Dr Bluntman wrote: ElQuirko wrote: Most slowcat fleets are Archons and thereby are Amarr. Oh I know, I've just seen more Ishtars and Dominix being used now than ever before Ishtars for their sentries right and the Dominix for its useful utility [neuting, remote repping] slots + sentries.

Leigh Akiga

Kuhri Innovations

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#25 - 2013-12-31 19:57:58 UTC

Alphea Abbra wrote:

If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it.
It will have nothing to do with game balance.

If the most powerful coalition in eve cant beat it does that mean you have, in fact, won eve? Your renter empire is forever secure because of the tutrtle tacttic? Congratulations on your blue donut Smile


Caviar Liberta The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 894	#26 - 2013-12-31 19:59:13 UTC James Amril-Kesh wrote: This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone. Right, nobody assigns fighters like they do drones either right?

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#27 - 2013-12-31 20:03:06 UTC | Edited by: Andski

Caviar Liberta wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone.

Right, nobody assigns fighters like they do drones either right?

Fighters are assigned, drones are assisted. Assigning fighters grants the assignee direct control over them until the owner revokes that control, and assignees are limited to whatever number of fighters their Drones skill allows them to control - i.e., 5. It is a different mechanic from drone assist entirely.

Essentially, for every carrier, you would need two more pilots in other ships to assign your fighters. A carrier doctrine based on assigned fighters would be unfeasible at a coalition level due to the ridiculous amount of effort required to make it work for little gain.

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Alphea Abbra

Project Promethion

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#28 - 2013-12-31 20:09:29 UTC

Andski wrote:

The consequences of being exposed for breaching a legally binding NDA extend further than the loss of a CSM seat; (...) assuming that CCP doesn't take legal action!

Feel free to ask Gorga, Vince, Grath, etc. whether the CSM members in their respective alliances share any NDA information with them. It's quite simple, they don't, because it's a stupid idea.

True. Don't break NDA's, not to your ingame friends, not to RL friends. It's stupid, nobody wins.
Especially not the breaker, who stands to lose the most.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone.

This just in, no CFC members can put an argument together without strawmen!
(Before you say "right back at you", that was hasty generalisation - or guilty by association - not a strawman!)

Andski wrote:

We're not above using tactics we consider overpowered (...) These forums, /r/eve, Kugu and N3 SOTAs/war updates would all be filled with criticism against cynojammer mechanics and what-have-you, only by N3 members.

I'm not sure. I'd like to think it would not be so, but I can't know, can I?
However, they would at least taste less hypocritial, so I can still feel superior.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#29 - 2013-12-31 20:09:34 UTC

Alphea Abbra wrote:

You mean like the supercapital rebalancing was done at the same time CFC attacked White Noise. back in late '11?
Granted the rebalance was done pretty early in the war, but you still saw CFC perma-MWD Drakes fly directly into tracking titans.

This nerf coming after WN steamrolled the old NC who collapsed when their massive subcap fleets were rendered usless and after WN attempted to headshot VFK and were barely held back.


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#30 - 2013-12-31 20:09:58 UTC Caviar Liberta wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: This just in: N3PL exclusively are using drone assist and nerfing it is a nerf to them alone. Right, nobody assigns fighters like they do drones either right? They don't, because it's impossible. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#31 - 2013-12-31 20:12:44 UTC

Prince Kobol wrote:

Andski wrote:

Alphea Abbra wrote:

If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it.
It will have nothing to do with game balance.

Mynnna is not the only CSM member. Need I remind you PL has two sitting members and S2N has one?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Azami Nevinyrall

172.0.0.1

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#32 - 2013-12-31 20:12:58 UTC

Andski wrote:

Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

CSM guys tell alliance leaders what's in the oven...
You guys know exactly what is to come, but will never admit it cos you'll loose that tool and NDA info over almost instantly...

Prince Kobol wrote:

There's a difference in penalties for telling someone a nerf is coming then giving info to CCP competitors'.

I'm currently reading an example of "Ankh", now if this story is true. It'll depend on what was leaked and to whom, as she claims CCP didn't file any legal action against her. Even though she works for another gaming company. What happens in that case is beyond me, but I'm going to look into it more.

I'm not saying that CSM members give a word for word script, but I will bet that they whisper and hint all day long...

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GazBoi08 x13 Pandemic Horde Likes received: 24	#33 - 2013-12-31 21:09:57 UTC screw the whole pvp thing if i cant assign 12 sentries from my ratting carrier to my tengu im gonna be very annoyed with you ccp :/

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#34 - 2013-12-31 21:10:07 UTC

Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

There's a difference in penalties for telling someone a nerf is coming then giving info to CCP competitors'.

The difference is that one is less likely to result in CCP seeking legal relief for damages caused.

Everything else holds true. A director in an alliance benefiting from privileged insider information provided by a CSM member could always defect and dump logs to Reddit, EN24, TMC, and every other EVE-related news source. The outside gaming media would smell a scandal brewing and publish it quickly. I don't doubt that the CSM member's RL name, which is already public, would be involved in those stories.

Nobody wins and CCP could even go as far as handing bans out to players who knowingly used such insider information to their advantage.

Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

I'm currently reading an example of "Ankh", now if this story is true. It'll depend on what was leaked and to whom, as she claims CCP didn't file any legal action against her. Even though she works for another gaming company. What happens in that case is beyond me, but I'm going to look into it more.

I'm not saying that CSM members give a word for word script, but I will bet that they whisper and hint all day long...

What happened in one case is not applicable to what may happen under different circumstances. Ankh hasn't exactly moved on to become a game designer for a big studio either - it's very hard to get hired by such companies when Googling your name throws up muitiple red flags.

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James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#35 - 2013-12-31 21:11:55 UTC 1 GazBoi08 wrote: screw the whole pvp thing if i cant assign 12 sentries from my ratting carrier to my tengu im gonna be very annoyed with you ccp :/ You'll survive. Enjoying the rain today? ;)


GazBoi08 x13 Pandemic Horde Likes received: 24	#36 - 2013-12-31 21:13:50 UTC James Amril-Kesh wrote: GazBoi08 wrote: screw the whole pvp thing if i cant assign 12 sentries from my ratting carrier to my tengu im gonna be very annoyed with you ccp :/ You'll survive. your right i'll fit up a 4bil marauder and go bastion in some anoms, what could go wrong right?

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#37 - 2013-12-31 21:16:45 UTC | Edited by: James Amril-Kesh

GazBoi08 wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

GazBoi08 wrote:

screw the whole pvp thing if i cant assign 12 sentries from my ratting carrier to my tengu im gonna be very annoyed with you ccp :/

You'll survive.

your right i'll fit up a 4bil marauder and go bastion in some anoms, what could go wrong right?

I've actually been considering that. I don't think it's necessarily as risky as it seems at first. Drop a mobile depot when you bastion and you'll be able to refit for pvp and escape should something come to kill you. Not only that, but if you're not going to survive you could drop your expensive mods in the depot and the only thing you'll end up losing is the hull.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Herzog Wolfhammer

Sigma Special Tactics Group

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#38 - 2013-12-31 21:17:46 UTC

You know when I teach new players how to run missions so they can earn ISK, part of keeping them alive is to assign drones to them when their tank is getting strained on the watchlist or their DPS is not what they expected.

Hopefully we won't see a heavy-handed nerf such that a mechanic that does have some use (arguments of abuse aside) is entirely gone.

As for this CFC and nullsec slowcat thing, who cares? All I hear is nerds bleating back and forth about something.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#39 - 2013-12-31 21:19:46 UTC Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: As for this CFC and nullsec slowcat thing, who cares? All I hear is nerds bleating back and forth about something. I'm sure there's someone, somewhere, who cares at all about how much you don't care. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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Arthur Aihaken CODE.d Likes received: 6,149	#40 - 2013-12-31 22:26:49 UTC 1 The Drone tears are going to be priceless… Drone Assist: Next up at nerf bat. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.