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The "Bulk Trade" Mailing list * Official Announcement *UPDATED*

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W3370Pi4
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-30 23:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: W3370Pi4
If you do not know what the bulk trade mailing list is click on the following links



Hello Bulk Traders

Due to Official CCP game Mechanics change restricting in game mailing lists to a maximum 3000 people
This will never be reverted so all the ingame "bulk trading mailing list wannabes" are not offering you a viable solution
If you want to confirm it you can petition them about it I am not at liberty to discuss it unfortunately.

We have decided to move the mailing list out of game and on the new mailing list from the 01.03.2014 the mailing list will adopt a subscription plan.
Why a subscription plan ?
Because maintaining standards require work and a fairly good amount of it and in eve time is money.

So while we enjoyed making the mailing list for free the past few years , we have to look at other alternatives to maintain perrenity and higher standards.

Our goals on the "new" mailing list remain the same as the "old" one are to promote and enforce the following values

Efficiency
Longevity
Higher Standards (Ease of Access, Scam Free, and Adaptable/Reactive to player trends, etc...)
Should you choose to continue the venture with us we greatly appreciate it and you will be greatly rewarded for it.

New Mailing list Ingame compatible https://groups.google.com/forum/#!categories/bulk_trade

If you choose not to follow us in this venture well peace be with you no hard feelings.


We do not believe in instant gratification and the bulk trade mailing list is the result of multiple years of positive reinforcement and adaptation so while at this exact time the conditions might not be ideal, please bare with us in this period of transition.

New Features
Pricing
The rates are as follow and will be active from the 01.03.2014

1 Month = 10M Isk
3 Month = 25M Isk
6 Month = 45M Isk
9 Month = 70M Isk
1 Year = 85M isk
Bonus
We are going to make a Free Plex lottery for the subscribers I still need to work on the details but roughly at a certain amount of subscribers i will make a lottery by using the unique id system and voila we have a winner with extra isk or 1 extra month of Eve online for free :D


Hint: To join the new mailing list you must simply apply Here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!categories/bulk_trade And use your ingame character name

- new Features
- Email notifications
You have the ability to receive new emails about the new offers on the mailing list this will allow everyone to have more re-activity and make everything a bit more competitive.
- Administration

  • We can now delete wrong emails totally.
  • Users can be banned or tracked totally by history.
  • ect to be expanded


  • How to join the new mailing list (this process 100 % in game browser compatible)


    • Quote:
    - On the following website : http://www.guidgen.com
    - Generate a new GUID ( A.K.A Globally unique identifier)
    - Wire the fee of your choosing to W3370Pi4 in the reason put your GUID. ( Keep the number for future reference )
    - You must send the isk with the character that you will use to post on the mailing list.


  • Joining the new Mailing list
    • Quote:
    -Click on the following link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bulk_trade
    - Log in or create an Account or using existing email from alternative provider read google help for more info
    - The Group display name must be the Character name that you will be using to trade * THIS IS MANDATORY*
    - Put your GUID in the following field “You can send additional information to the manager by filling in the text box below.”


  • Misc. & Account security
    • [center]
    Quote:
    - We took all the precautionary measures to hide email addresses from potential hackers however we do not recommend using the email address you use for your eve online account(s).
    - Google Group HELP Page https://support.google.com/groups/?hl=en#


    Post Questions or constructive criticism below

    https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bulk_Trade_(Mailing_list)
    https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180749

    I will now use the evelopedia page for announcements and not the forums

    - Fun Facts
  • The mailing list has been around since 2009
  • Total mails per year on the mailing list : 6000-10000.
  • Total of goods going trough the mailing list per year : ~
  • 100B-500B isk
    • [*] 1 , 2 , or 3 Billions of high volume goods can be sold in seconds. [*] Counting for lolz : number of unstable/unreliable wannabe bulk trading services that appeared from *offended* players : 5
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #2 - 2013-12-30 23:30:12 UTC
    reserved
    drol tack
    Baba Yagas
    The Initiative.
    #3 - 2013-12-30 23:53:35 UTC
    Worth a try!
    okoolos rimmer
    Napkin Nation
    #4 - 2013-12-31 01:07:38 UTC
    1)Why not simply make different mailling lists for different product categories to get around traffic limits and to make things easier for the administrator?
    2) You expect us to use an out of game tool to check ingame email stuff? This has loads of drawbacks.
    3) We're supposed to pay now as well? lol
    joyous the
    Slippery Penguin
    #5 - 2013-12-31 03:12:47 UTC
    k, so what is happening to the actual mailing list tho?
    Setsune Rin
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #6 - 2013-12-31 10:00:09 UTC
    who's gona do the next mailing list?

    this guy is a known scammer...how on earth this is still working can only be explained by lemming mentality i suppose
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #7 - 2013-12-31 10:48:38 UTC
    okoolos rimmer wrote:
    1)Why not simply make different mailling lists for different product categories to get around traffic limits and to make things easier for the administrator?


    with the new limitations on mailing lists this would not fix the problem it would only delay it and back to square one.


    Quote:
    2) You expect us to use an out of game tool to check ingame email stuff? This has loads of drawbacks.

    This is not a real question so i will not answer it

    Quote:
    3) We're supposed to pay now as well? lol

    In Eve everything has a price . LOL ?
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #8 - 2013-12-31 10:50:31 UTC
    joyous the wrote:
    k, so what is happening to the actual mailing list tho?


    I will use it for administrative purposes only
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #9 - 2013-12-31 10:57:10 UTC
    Setsune Rin wrote:
    who's gona do the next mailing list?


    I know a lot have tried and a lot will try . To succeed to see it trough like i did with the first mailing list ? nobody knows. food for toughs.

    Quote:
    this guy is a known scammer...how on earth this is still working can only be explained by lemming mentality i suppose


    Everybody loves empty accusasions
    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    S.N.O.T.
    #10 - 2013-12-31 15:17:55 UTC
    So let me get this straight. People are going to now pay to be in the list. How many buyers are you really expecting to pay to sign up to MAYBE save a little isk if a bulk trade come up that they want?
    Basically you're going to end up with a whole bunch of people posting sales that never get filled, because nobody is paying to receive them.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #11 - 2013-12-31 15:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: W3370Pi4
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    So let me get this straight. People are going to now pay to be in the list. How many buyers are you really expecting to pay to sign up to MAYBE save a little isk if a bulk trade come up that they want?
    Basically you're going to end up with a whole bunch of people posting sales that never get filled, because nobody is paying to receive them.


    The mailing list has built enough notoriety not to worry about small details like this.

    The user base is strong enough.


    Edit : This argument is also invalid because people used to say the same thing when the mailing list launched and now people are making billions per month on the mailing list and this has been the case for a least 2 years
    Rhivre
    TarNec
    Invisible Exchequer
    #12 - 2013-12-31 15:55:47 UTC
    How will linking contracts work out of game?

    Fluffy Bunny Pic!

    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #13 - 2013-12-31 15:59:50 UTC
    Rhivre wrote:
    How will linking contracts work out of game?


    The mailing list is 100 % ingame browser compatibly so you can fully use it in-game.

    If you are talking about advertising your contracts directly in the mailing list there might be a way to do it , i will look into it.
    Golda Quark
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #14 - 2013-12-31 16:12:53 UTC
    er.. no, for some reason I'm not inclined to use a mailing list outside the game when there's a good facility in it, or to support Google, or to pay for someone's petulance or plex, whatever his current reason for banning people.

    When someone makes the replacement, please let us know!

    First Rule of Aquisition: Once you have their money, never give it back.
    Enteron Anabente
    Provident Provisions
    Test Alliance Please Ignore
    #15 - 2013-12-31 17:40:29 UTC
    For reference on "this guy is a known scammer," just to make it clear to everyone that this is not an empty accusation:

    http://serpentinelogic.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/bulk-trade-mailing-list-run-by-a-scammer/
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #16 - 2013-12-31 17:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: W3370Pi4
    Enteron Anabente wrote:
    For reference on "this guy is a known scammer," just to make it clear to everyone that this is not an empty accusation:

    http://serpentinelogic.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/bulk-trade-mailing-list-run-by-a-scammer/


    LoL So selling something is a scam now ? here is the definition of scam since you don't know the proper definition http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scam
    for the info i bought those somewhere and thought i could resell them but i couldn't considering they were free i think i just trashed them in the end
    Lady Zarrina
    New Eden Browncoats
    #17 - 2013-12-31 18:03:52 UTC
    Good luck in your new mail list. Seriously.

    But since you are changing 2 things:
    - adding a fee
    - out of game list (no nice links, multiple apps, tabbing, etc)

    Most people will view this as an attempt to monetize a less attractive solution? I am not sure the 3000 limit will ever be a factor on your new list?

    EVE: All about Flying Frisky and Making Iskie
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #18 - 2013-12-31 18:36:26 UTC
    Lady Zarrina wrote:
    Good luck in your new mail list. Seriously.

    But since you are changing 2 things:
    - adding a fee
    - out of game list (no nice links, multiple apps, tabbing, etc)

    Most people will view this as an attempt to monetize a less attractive solution? I am not sure the 3000 limit will ever be a factor on your new list?


    First of all thank you for those questions

    I am trying to monetize yes , because I think it's a cheap compromise that people need to make to use a mailing list where we try to maintain a high end standing levels to maximize efficiency thus the time spent by the user ( Time is money in eve )

    Am I offering a less attractive solution totally not , because the mailing list purpose it to offer a competitive environment with constant growth.

    Fun fact some people sell their goods in seconds on the mailing list , literally seconds , I could find a person or two that would attest that this is true.

    When an in-game mailing list reaches their maximum users what happens ?
    Well the user pool would not renew itself which means that the moderator would need to spend an astronomical amount a time filtering who is actively using the mailing list and who is not ( anybody doing this for free will give up at some point )and even though the mailing list would slowly die out due to the user cap not renewing it self.

    A lot of people think that running a mailing list is easy and does not require much time at all , it might be true if you want your mailing list to be riddled by scammers and spammers and do not want any kind of organized information flow.

    However if you want something that is efficient and as a certain standard , like anything in eve online it is a huge time sink.

    The new alternative I am offering is totally in-game browser compatible , so in that aspect i am pretty sure that the users can adapt quickly.
    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    S.N.O.T.
    #19 - 2013-12-31 18:48:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
    W3370Pi4 wrote:
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    So let me get this straight. People are going to now pay to be in the list. How many buyers are you really expecting to pay to sign up to MAYBE save a little isk if a bulk trade come up that they want?
    Basically you're going to end up with a whole bunch of people posting sales that never get filled, because nobody is paying to receive them.


    The mailing list has built enough notoriety not to worry about small details like this.

    The user base is strong enough.


    Edit : This argument is also invalid because people used to say the same thing when the mailing list launched and now people are making billions per month on the mailing list and this has been the case for a least 2 years
    lol
    I'll believe that when I see it bud. You are clearly just covering your ass because you want the signups so you get a nice influx of isk. There's no way in hell people are going to pay for the opportunity to look at the list. You are no Wirt.

    W3370Pi4 wrote:
    Am I offering a less attractive solution totally not , because the mailing list purpose it to offer a competitive environment with constant growth.
    Of course you are. The only reason it works it that it's quick and easy to view the list and costs nothing to browse. By monetising it you are cutting off the potential buyers, making it pointless to sell on you list.

    And I find it quite amusing that your immediate response to a cap is to monetise your list, not to start up a petition against the cap, which I'm sure you could get a LOT of support for.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
    W3370Pi4
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #20 - 2013-12-31 19:06:35 UTC  |  Edited by: W3370Pi4
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    lol
    I'll believe that when I see it bud. You are clearly just covering your ass because you want the signups so you get a nice influx of isk. There's no way in hell people are going to pay for the opportunity to look at the list. You are no Wirt..



    That is a very good point actually

    So I will distribute 1 months trials to existing members of the mailing list to make it smoother.

    And also I will never have any qualms about cashing in on my hard work. but maybe you would....
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