EVE General Discussion

Hehehehe - that was fun, for me anyway...

The only way to really help out the new players is for the rest of us to pitch in and help out. One of my guys has created a noob friendly highsec corp just for this reason.

With the right guidance you can take a brand new player from highsec to nullsec as capable miners / anom runner / fleet tackle in two months. Not only that you have a corp member for as long as your corp survives.

Unless your a psychopath (and let's face it 90% of us are) and turn them into some mining slaves who give up and quit after they have been taken advantage of. But then again they cal always ask for Mercs to kill your titan.

I can fix the tutorial

You login to eve, suddenly you're attacked by a gang of pirates, all around you are capital ships shooting at each other, lasers, missiles, explosions, you're sitting in a rookie ship, commander jason johnson pops up onto your screen, he screams at you to assist his chimera on a mission to break through the enemy lines, you need to orbit his ship, and he explains how to do this amongst the chaos, people all around you are exploding, its just like the eve online trailers, I was there, boom sales of plex skyrocket.

This whole thread started because some new player (who claimed to have completed a "truckload of research" before joining EVE) didn't like that his corp got war decced and came here crying about it. Those are the game mechanics working as intended and many people told him that. He just didn't like that his soft, fleshy, new corp got attacked by players who are not as soft and fleshy. I fail to see how any changes to the opening tutorial and career agents will change that. If he'd actually done what he said he'd done and, more importantly, understood it, then he'd be cool about it, shrug it off, and hopefully try and get better. Except he didn't. Creating a corp opens a player up to a lot. I mean, I'm really new and therefore really stupid, but even I know that.

I think that questioning my understanding of capitalism, regardless of what kind of job I've held or hold, is really not the best way to make your point.

You're right. Changes to the tutorials (by tutorials I mean the career agents) will not change that because the problem of the OP in the mentioned topic has little to do with Eve. If you go back to my initial post on this topic, you'll see that a CCP dev edited my post because he/she considered my remarks on the OP of the other topic as personal attacks. Managing a corporation, my opinion, has little to do with the harshness of Eve, or with the knowledge, one has on Eve. Some are "born" to lead, some aren't.

Anyway, I suspect many people reading this topic misinterpreted the point of citing that other topic. The reason I considered it useful (the other topic) is the opportunity given to the new players to see Eve as it is, or at least a part of it, one that you don't find in the tutorials.

It seems to me, that many (especially old) Eve players like to think that many "fail" at Eve because they are dumb. In this topic, I try to argue that this is not the case. I'm not making a case about gamers being the smartest people on Earth. I mean, really smart guys/girls don't usually waste time on games. However, once the dumb people are left out of this discussion, I argue that many new players don't like Eve because they never arrive to see the true Eve when it really matters: the first two weeks.