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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2013-07-26 01:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Donbe Scurred
Here is the thread, GM Response on Bumping It is stickied in C&P, that terrible, terrible place.Twisted

I don't participate, but it is definitely player driven content at its finest. No matter how you feel about it there is no denying that.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#222 - 2013-07-26 04:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Yeah, that's true on both accounts.

Now about player driven content, you could say I'm doing the same thing with 'The Plan'.

I am a player who's generating content for other players, right?

Blink

All kidding aside, thanks for posting that info.




DMC
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2013-07-26 05:23:02 UTC
Interesting point. I see it. While James is the wolf in sheeps clothing, you are the shepard leading the sheep to greener pastures. Or something, like that.Lol
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#224 - 2013-07-26 05:37:50 UTC
Lol

Thanks, that's a nice analogy. Not sure how close it is to reality but I'll take it.

Roll



DMC
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2013-07-26 07:17:23 UTC
It was pretty bad, made at sense at the time, now not so much, but we were pouring them pretty heavy tonight at dinner.Lol
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2013-07-26 08:31:39 UTC
Well, it's the thought that counts.

Thanks again, fly smart and stay safe.



DMC
Maadai Ansa
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#227 - 2013-09-01 05:34:05 UTC
Just wanted to say thank you for this plan, it's really amazing and works like a charm.
I was able to get my standings up in no time, lots of useful, not so obvious things that
you can do in order to quickly raise your faction standings.

Great work!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#228 - 2013-09-01 17:22:31 UTC
Maadai Ansa,

That's excellent and thanks for posting.

It's always good to hear about 'The Plan' helping players repair their Faction standings quickly and easily. I hope you have continued good luck and much success in the future.



DMC
Zaxix
Long Jump.
#229 - 2013-09-02 00:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaxix
Just a little info you may or may not find useful. There are always threads asking about whether its possible to have high standings to all factions. I recently did a little math (using formulas found on the wiki) and found that, if you have Connections 5 and Social 5 and you chose the highest faction standing option for each epic arc (12.5% with max skills), you would get an effective standing of 7+ to all 4 factions in 2 years (8 x epic arc) and a base standing of 7+ in 2.5 years (10 x epic arc). This assumes you do nothing else to mess with faction standings, whether positive or negative.

Effective Standings after each run:
1st: 3
2nd: 3.872
3rd: 4.64
4th: 5.312 (L4 agent access)
5th: 5.896
6th: 6.408
7th: 6.856
8th: 7.248

Base Standings after each run (for POS Anchorage):
1st: 1.25
2nd: 2.34
3rd: 3.3
4th: 4.14
5th: 4.87
6th: 5.51 (POS in .5)
7th: 6.07 (POS in .5, .6)
8th: 6.56 (POS in .5, .6)
9th: 6.99 (POS in .5, .6)
10th: 7.37 (POS in .5, .6, .7)

Bokononist

 

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2013-09-02 22:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Zaxix,

Thanks for posting that info.

Yes, the Epic Arcs will indeed raise Faction standings quite high over time which is why I included them in 'The Plan'.

However, some of the Epic Arc missions do incur negative Faction standing hits for aggression and ship kill which you forgot to include in your calculations. Albeit they're small negative standing hits but they do add up over time.

Disregarding those small negative standing hits, it seems your calculations are based on a starting point of neutral standings towards all Factions. This is great for some characters but most characters have negative standings with various Empire Factions..

Also I'd like to point out that the Epic Arcs only give positive standing increase to the 4 main Empire Factions. There are actually 8 different Factions that control high security solar systems.

The main reason for working 'The Plan' is to repair negative Faction standings quickly and easily. Most players are looking to access high level agents or just want the ability to travel freely throughout high security systems without being attacked by Faction Navy NPC's. The added bonus from working 'The Plan' is that over time it will enable players to have high positive standings with all Empire Factions.

As such 'The Plan' is still the fastest and easiest way to repair negative Faction standings as well as boost positive Faction standings.

Thanks again for posting and please keep me informed of any alternate ways to gain high Faction standings. I'm always open to changing or adding more options to 'The Plan' whenever possible.



DMC
Zaxix
Long Jump.
#231 - 2013-09-03 00:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaxix
Yes, the calculations assume a total neutral start. In order to actually do the arcs, you'd need to get the corporation standing from missions (denying all faction missions). The purpose of providing them was simply to show that one could get high standings with all 4 major factions with a little patience. While your plan is focused on repair, everything in it is pretty good info for someone looking to plan ahead as well Smile.

While there are some standings hits for particular ships in particular missions, it's simple enough to run the missions with a buddy/alt to take the hits for you (like your plan recommends). What I did not include are the standings from the SOE Epic Arc, which is 8.75% at max standings. If you did each faction twice (1 per year over the 2 years of my calculations, for a total of 2 per faction), you'd still exceed any standings hits in the missions (I believe the highest is a 3% standings hit in one or two missions in several of the arcs). So there are two options for standings hits mitigation.

True, it doesn't give POS standings in Khanid or Ammatar. I just noticed that there are some Concord systems that are .7 or below. If someone still had Concord standing or a way of getting standing, I guess they could anchor there.

Khanid
Ammatar
Concord
Minmatar
Gallente
Caldari
Amarr

Who's the 8th? I thought I'd done all my faction homework!

edit: i see now that Interbus controls one of the systems in the cluster of Concord systems. It's .9 security though, so no POS anchoring.

Bokononist

 

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#232 - 2013-09-03 02:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Zaxix,

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I totally agree that the Epic Arcs are an excellent source to gain positive Faction standing and as I said before is exactly the reason they are included in 'The Plan'.. Also I always encourage and advise players to use the level 1 Sister's Of Eve Epic Arc to help raise and or balance lop-sided Faction standings.

Now I'm not arguing or downing your alternate plan or the calculations you've done (I hate doing math). I'm sure it'll work and can be very useful, especially for a Trade / Industrial alt character. Just gonna be a long road consisting of declining all Empire encounter missions along with accepting NO storyline missions whatsoever.

And yes, after 2 1/2 years the character should be able to anchor a POS (1 man corp) in systems belonging to 4 of the 8 high sec Factions (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar).


By the way, the 8th Faction controlling high sec systems : The Interbus


Now if that same character works 'The Plan' within the same time period of 2 1/2 years, that character should be able to anchor a POS (1 man corp) in systems belonging to 6 of the 8 high sec Factions (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, Khanid, Ammatar).

Of course 'The Plan' entails doing a lot more than just running the Epic Arcs so yeah, it requires more work from the character.

Currently there's no Starbase Charter available from Concord or The Interbus to allow POS anchoring, but knowing CCP that is subject to change at any time.

Anyway, thank you again for posting that information and I wish you lot's of luck.



DMC
Zillu Ban
Strix Ridens
#233 - 2013-09-07 04:24:04 UTC
Hey!

I'd just like to thank DeMichael Crimson for the chat in RUN corp chat, and also for the info provided in the Faction Standing Repair Plan. I managed to not get shot at in Amarr space for once! The data center agents are a godsend.

Thank you!

Zillu/SV
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#234 - 2013-09-07 05:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Zillu Ban,

I must say I like talking with corp members and helping out whenever I can. It's easy to get caught up in their excitement and youthful enthusiasm for this game.

Big smile

But more importantly I especially like hearing how 'The Plan' is helping or has helped the members of this community. Hope you continue to have good luck and much success.

Thanks for posting.




DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#235 - 2013-11-22 00:32:03 UTC
Just putting this up due to threads being posted about gaining and or repairing Faction standings.

Blink



DMC
Dino Ginger
Lai Dai Solutions
#236 - 2013-12-31 04:12:56 UTC
Hello DMC


I have some questions!


Today I have this standings:

Servant Sisters of EVE 7.66
Mordu's Legion Command 5.29
Caldari State 4.72
Khanid Kingdom 4.46
Ammatar Mandate 3.02
Gallente Federation -0.48
Amarr Empire -1.34
Minmatar Republic -0,92



I Just did the SOE newbie arc and increased the minmatar standing.

I can Keep doing SOE distribution level 2 missions, 16+ storyline, till I get the gallente and minmatar increased.

But then, what is the next step?

I really want to avoid the SAW problem. Any suggestions?

MY goal is to have a +5 or +7 with the main amarr, caldari, gallente and minmatar factions, OK, will take some years, but is a goal! :)


DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#237 - 2013-12-31 08:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Dino Ginger,

Thanks for posting.

Since your standings aren't too bad, I'd just work the various Agents listed in 'The Plan'.

Of course the very first thing to do is train up the various Social skills.

Dino Ginger wrote:
But then, what is the next step?

I really want to avoid the SAW problem. Any suggestions?

MY goal is to have a +5 or +7 with the main amarr, caldari, gallente and minmatar factions, OK, will take some years, but is a goal! :)

I guess by the term 'SAW' you're referring to the section called 'The See-Saw'. Unfortunately that aspect of 'The Plan' can't be avoided, especially if you want to have the 4 main Factions above +5.00 standing.

Working 'The See-Saw' will easily gain +5 standing with the 4 main Factions.


DMC
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#238 - 2013-12-31 16:32:16 UTC
One thing to note on "The Plan", if you are going to do the COSMOS missions to increase standings it would be very worthwhile to try and do them all at the same time and flip-flop back and forth between them. This should give you the best return on increasing faction standings.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#239 - 2013-12-31 17:04:43 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
One thing to note on "The Plan", if you are going to do the COSMOS missions to increase standings it would be very worthwhile to try and do them all at the same time and flip-flop back and forth between them. This should give you the best return on increasing faction standings.


I don't disagree, but they have different standing requirements. When you do cosmos missions to get standing you often need to travel a lot more, then if you could just pick them in perfect order.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

THORAMAN
ASTAROTH ENTERPRISES
#240 - 2013-12-31 22:03:44 UTC
A question about the TAGs AGENTs


Are these a ONE TIME thing?

Or Can i give tags to them, every 3 months too?