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CHIEF ACASSA MIDULAR SETS OUT AUTONOMY DOCTRINE AT TRIBAL ASSEMBLY

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-12-28 20:04:36 UTC
Pator – The new Chief of the Sebiestor Tribe, Acassa Midular, addressed the Minmatar Tribal Assembly as it began a new public session, earlier today at the Grand Caravanserai on Matar. Making a new chief's declaration before the Tribal Assembly, Chief Midulars's most pointed remarks concerned a restatement of the Minmatar principle of tribal autonomy in which she asserted that "the infringement of the Republic on matters properly the responsibility of a tribe is an infringement on that tribe's autonomy".

Chief Acassa Midular's speech has been highly anticipated since it became clear that it would not be a pro forma declaration confirming the position laid out in the chief's declaration made by Chief Karin Midular, before her assassination by the Gallente terrorist Gerne Broteau. Touching on the assassination and its aftermath, Acassa Midular said, "When any member of a tribe is murdered, never mind a revered chief or elder, it is the responsibility of that tribe to seek and obtain justice. In this respect it was incorrect, in my view, for elements of the Republic Fleet to take security actions aimed at apprehending the assassin Broteau. Some will say that the Ray of Matar was for all Minmatar but I say that the Ray was not only a daughter of our tribe, not only our chief but was above all else acting as our chief when she was slain."

Chief Midular went on to say, "The responsibility of seeking justice was ours and should properly have been left to the Sebiestor. If we had required assistance in this matter, we would have asked for it. If we had determined the necessity of direct action in this case, we would have taken it. Just as we took the proper action when the assassin was delivered into our hands. We must not again have an instance of tribal autonomy being so flagrantly disregarded or we shall not be able to say that this is a true tribal republic. Let us make the legacy of this tribal assembly, and the life and death of Karin Midular, one where the autonomy of the tribes is held paramount in this republic."

Chief Midular's remarks were preceded by a brief introduction from Sanmatar Maleatu Shakor in which he expressed his "pleasure at the prospect of working with Chief Acassa Midular in the cause of building and strengthening the tribal republic." Sanmatar Shakor's office has made no comment in response to questions about Chief Midular's speech. The Republic Fleet reiterated its stance that the "Colelie Incident is a matter of republic security under the jurisdiction of the Tribal Council".

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-12-28 20:06:09 UTC
I am very interested in this new direction to strengthen the tribes.

May Chief Midular's spirit last long and be free.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2013-12-28 20:23:15 UTC
Fascinating. I do wonder how the Federation will respond to these statements, as they do nothing to address the appropriateness of military adventurism against an ally.

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-12-28 20:37:05 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Fascinating. I do wonder how the Federation will respond to these statements, as they do nothing to address the appropriateness of military adventurism against an ally.


This is not a statement on Colelie, this is a Chief's Declaration, a formal statement of the direction that a Tribe will take.

It has nothing to do with Colelie aside from her criticism of the Republic taking a Tribal matter, the assassination of the former Chief, into its own hands. Any strong Chief would have done the same though perhaps not focused so much on it.

Either way, it looks bright on the horizon.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#5 - 2013-12-29 18:03:59 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Fascinating. I do wonder how the Federation will respond to these statements, as they do nothing to address the appropriateness of military adventurism against an ally.

Often strengthening the individual weakens the whole.

Did you notice? The balance of power within the Tribal Entity just changed.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-30 01:52:17 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Often strengthening the individual weakens the whole.


I disagree. Times when the Tribes were strong have always been good to the Matari, we are a nation of Tribes after all. The whole is not synonymous with the collective covering body. The Republic may find it's ability to intervene in Tribal matters diminished but Matari people as a whole will benefit.

The family is strong, the clan is strong.
Strong Clans to strong Tribes, strong Tribes,

Strong Matar.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-12-30 10:41:32 UTC
History tends to disagree...
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#8 - 2013-12-30 10:52:09 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Often strengthening the individual weakens the whole.


On one hand, the last thing we need is another Heth. On the other hand, I seriously doubt she'll ever become another Heth.

Shakor, on the other hand...

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-12-30 12:39:02 UTC
I can't see Shakor willingly giving up the power he has taken

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-12-30 16:07:06 UTC
Trying to find a dictator?

Please look somewhere else.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#11 - 2013-12-30 17:13:30 UTC
Why don't all you imperial boot lickers (that includes not only the usual suspects but also alleged neutrals like Farel) go peddle your cynicism and hatred somewhere else?

What Ayallah stated is true, "The family is strong, the clan is strong. Strong Clans to strong Tribes, strong Tribes, Strong Matar."

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#12 - 2013-12-30 17:14:47 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
History tends to disagree...


Since you're apparently now speaking for history, prove your statement. What the hell are you talking about?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-12-30 18:00:38 UTC
Tribal autonomy from the Republic or autonomy from the Brutor Tribe and Sanmatar Shakor that effectively controls it?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#14 - 2013-12-30 18:08:27 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Tribal autonomy from the Republic or autonomy from the Brutor Tribe and Sanmatar Shakor that effectively controls it?

And there it is.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-12-30 18:59:56 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
History tends to disagree...


Since you're apparently now speaking for history, prove your statement. What the hell are you talking about?


One that comes to mind is how powerful the Nefantar Tribe proved to be. I don't think it would be cynical or hateful of me to point out that divided houses tend to do each other more damage than good to each other. Imagine how much better our empires would be performing against pirate factions if we weren't so busily shooting each other in legislated war zones?

Either way, I can't imagine a time when inwardly powerful tribes wouldn't eventually cause each other trouble unless they have a common enemy. I thought that was our purpose in the greater dichotomy of the Republic.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#16 - 2013-12-30 21:00:38 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
History tends to disagree...


Since you're apparently now speaking for history, prove your statement. What the hell are you talking about?


Divide and conquer is always the Newest Thing... when you are a moron. What *is* your band of halfwits going to do to top the imbecilic stupidity of last year's "blood jurisdiction," Annie?
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#17 - 2013-12-30 22:00:18 UTC
Let me see if I have this straight:
Autonomy of the tribes is a good thing and to be desired...is what I am getting here, yes?

I do not know how well that will go for the Republic as a whole, but if that is what they want, then all the more power to them. However, I would offer some caution.

First, Chief Midular's statements only state that it was wrong for the Republic to bring arms to bear on an ally to achieve justice. What is not said is what worries me a little. If a tribe sees or feels itself to have been insulted, then the tribe is fully in their rights to go on the war path without consideration for the rest of the other Tribes. That would concern me as I doubt the other empires would differentiate between an act of aggression from a tribe and the Republic as a whole in their response.

Second, reading the history of the Minmatar...whether or not history will repeat itself remains to be seen, but when left to their own, the Tribes did seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and effort fighting kith and kin.

I wish the Republic and the Tribes the best of luck in the path they choose...I just hope that lessons from the past have been taken to heart and mistakes not repeated.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2013-12-30 22:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Second, reading the history of the Minmatar...whether or not history will repeat itself remains to be seen, but when left to their own, the Tribes did seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and effort fighting kith and kin.

I wish the Republic and the Tribes the best of luck in the path they choose...I just hope that lessons from the past have been taken to heart and mistakes not repeated.


Before an irritated Matari poster attacks you for saying that, I will point you to the existing records of the Minmatar Empire before the arrival of the Amarr. They had enjoyed at least a thousand years of relative peace without significant bloodshed or infighting.

The Tribal system was clearly designed to prevent such issues from occuring.

Katrina Oniseki

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#19 - 2013-12-30 23:09:13 UTC
Thank you Pilot Oniseki for setting the record straight. You are correct. The Tribes had been living together quite peacefully in the old Minmatar Empire before the slavers saw fit to invade.

You flatter yourself Pilot Baracca. The Republic would continue to exist and would be just fine without the omnipresent threat of the Amarr.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2013-12-30 23:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Constantin Baracca
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Second, reading the history of the Minmatar...whether or not history will repeat itself remains to be seen, but when left to their own, the Tribes did seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and effort fighting kith and kin.

I wish the Republic and the Tribes the best of luck in the path they choose...I just hope that lessons from the past have been taken to heart and mistakes not repeated.


Before an irritated Matari poster attacks you for saying that, I will point you to the existing records of the Minmatar Empire before the arrival of the Amarr. They had enjoyed at least a thousand years of relative peace without significant bloodshed or infighting.

The Tribal system was clearly designed with to prevent such issues from occuring.


To be fair, a thousand years isn't really that long. It could be said that the Amarrians had a thousand years of relative peace between conquering our own planet and conquering the Ealurians, but I wouldn't necessarily call us peaceful or even that period of history bloodless. It was just a thousand years where the violence wasn't notable on a galactic scale, so we tend to forget about it.

P.S. I certainly wouldn't flatter myself in that regard; I don't engage in the warfare and I spend most of my time in Matari space. I'm simply basing my comments on recent events. It isn't as if the Matari universally consider attacking their allies abhorrent, and you did immediately count me among your many threats through I'm fairly obviously not one. Amarrian though I am.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

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