Intergalactic Summit

We, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest, Duchess of Palas and Lustrevik, and its dependent territories, Porphyrogennete, Hyperprotopansebaste, servant of God and the Kingdom etc. etc., do hereby declare Our irrevocable determination to renounce for Ourself the Ducal Throne, entrusted to Us by divine right, and Our desire that effect should be given to this Instrument of Abdication in such a way, that as from thirty-first of December one hundred and fifteen, at midnight, the Ducal Throne of Palas and Lustrevik, shall be given to my sister, Morijah Nergül Altantsetseg of House d’Hanguest, Porphyrogennete, Hyperpansebaste etc.

In token whereof We have hereunto set Our hand this thirtieth day of December, one hundred and fifteen, in the presence of the witnesses whose signatures are subscribed.

Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest

Signed at the Ducal Palace in Armaniyye
In the Presence of Morijah Nergül Altantsetseg d’Hanguest and Narantsetseg d’Hanguest

To be fair, it's important in this sort of proclamation to use all your titles in order to relinquish them.

As far as the announcement goes, it was only the right thing to do, given the circumstances.

I believe it was more the childish manner in which she went about it. Declaring war would be fine, but her ranting made her look a fool and thus shamed her house. Well, thats my take on it at least.

I suppose you have to define "winning", since apparently the Stormcrows did minimal damage to PIE, serving mostly to give them some honorable combat that they, for the most part, respected. Still, mercenaries can't win you a war of honor. Odelya had gone too far in sullying her family name. A political outburst can get you exiled in the highest echelons of political power. She simply went too far. Even if she hadn't run out of InterStellar Kredits, she ran out of political credit.

It's a bit different in the Empire than the Republic. Odelya picked a fight she could only win by the perfect alignment of circumstances. The cards didn't come up.

The only logical thing to do is to give up all rights to everything she has ever known and loved, according to her code of honor. Otherwise, the backlash she is about to feel from within her circle would be extended to her entire house, holdings, and family. Now, she will bear the shame herself and earn back a bit of respect from most involved.

In the Republic, you tend to stand on your own merits and actions, whereas Amarrians immediately go straight up the ladder to the source. The Stormcrows never were a set of mercenaries to PIE, they were just tools of Odelya and her house. Honorable tools, but not necessarily responsible for their own actions. They were simply paid servants for the house of D'Hanguest.

If PIE had lost composure and altered their course of fighting the Republicans, their loss of face would have given Odelya a chance. PIE did not take the bait, which left Odelya in the unenviable position of having hired foreign fighters (technically) to attack a loyalist organization headed by some of the Empire's most respected lords.

I suppose it might be a somewhat foreign concept, but Odelya had no choice but to fall on that proverbial sword, unless she wanted to lay her family's position and holdings in their entirety on the betting line and ask PIE to call. She didn't have the hand for it. She's saved her family and their position this way at the expense of herself, the only honorable thing to do.

*Edited> was too Flippant of a remark for this situation and apologize.

Finally this foolishness shall end! I say good riddance to this woman, and all of her titles. She should have renounced them before this whole situation started and saved us all the trouble.

And yes, Constantin, it was more of a matter of honor than actual war. More like a duel using seconds. Something I do not expect people outside the Empire's influence to understand, simply because of the cultural influences involved.

I had no respect for the house d'Hangquest even before this whole debacle started because of their arrogance, but Odelya admitting defeat at least sheds light on her having some honor, even if it is but a little. That, at least, is an encouragement.



Your question is valid, and I understand why this would be confusing. To add to Constantin, basically this was more of a political harassment tactic that went badly. Falling on the proverbial sword is the best way to try and salvage her honor, as committing ritual suicide is likely out of the question for her or applicable to a capsuleer, much to my extreme chagrin.

Since they were merely pawns in this context, PIE has no actual quarrel with them. As far as PIE was concerned, the Stormcrows were the arm or weapon Odelya used, not the enemy. Odelya was the opponent.

As far as the Stormcrows "winning" is concerned, last I checked most of their kills were transports. Not something I would consider much of a victory unless you are waging a long term campaign and wish to cut off supply lines. As this had no hope of becoming a long term campaign, I personally would not exude much merit to those specific kills in the confines of the definition of victory.

Also, if you look at the war report, PIE actually caused the Stormcrows to lose far more monetary-wise. Due to them being mercenaries, I would consider that more of a standard of victory than losing a few ships.

PIE is busy with the war, and they saw the Stormcrows merely as a side issue. Nothing of true concern from their perspective. Frustration at losing some assets, perhaps and understandable, but nothing worthy of a major campaign. If they had, the Stormcrows would have been utterly crushed within a week. This is not to say the mercenaries in question are weak fighters or are incompetent. Not at all. It is merely a factor of PIE's influence being far larger than its immediate alliance, as well as the resources they can obtain and them having a larger number of competent fighters.

And yes Anabella, her former life of debauchery did sully her name. This situation was more of the explosion of a very hot engine that went out of control.

Lesson learned here: Do not let your arrogance and pride get the better of you, for pride comes before the fall.

We have to make some allowances for Anabella as it pertains to Amarrian culture. Thanks to the relatively tolerant working relationship that Heideran and Midular struck, things could be far worse. It's a lot less schadenfreude than one might expect.

Ms. Rella,
The constant reference to 'slaver' this or 'slaver' that is an attempt of diminution towards the oldest and most established political entity in the cluster. Furthermore it is intellectually lazy.
The leaked holoreel and this affair are like apples and crystal stemware. The two are nothing alike, so a comparison would be completely out of order. The first bit was a mostly internal affair of House d"Hanguest. While it likely did diminish duchess Odelya's standing, it was hardly a catastrophic event.
In the current case, it is almost a house war, between House d'Hanguest and PIE. Furthermore, the war crossed a border from the Kingdom to the Empire. It stopped being something internal and threatened to explode into something more. Just as titles can be bestowed, so therefore can they be stripped. Had duchess Odelya not stepped down and renounced all claim, the repercussions would have fallen on the whole house and family. Quite simply, she took the whole burden of her acts upon herself, so that her family would not suffer more.

-The Contessa di le Solfete

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My point had absolutely nothing to do with you, but good to know how sensitive that skin is!