Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think you hit the nail on the head. What's the one place where blowing 2b+ on a single hull doesn't remotely matter? AT.

Remember all those dumb energy transfer domi / basilisk teams that Fozzie et al were gushing over and naming after stupid Dota ****? This ship will allow for an armour version of that since you need multiple large reps to do what a logi can with a single XLASB.

Now it's obvious why they won't change it to anything useful, they've designed it to be used in Polaris only

I appologise if I have muddled the arguments being made, adding command functions was originally proposed in post #1614. Tbh, warfare links fall outside the scope of my speciality in EVE and I am unfamiliar with their implementation within a fleet other than a theoretical understanding of the math behind the concept. I acknowledged the concept of adding command functions to the Nestor as a viable alternative way to produce a useful ship without making it OP and only support the perifial idea rather than any hard tactics or numbers.

As for my little rant on the Orca... uhh, let's just chalk that up to finger vomit. The way post #1614 was written was strikingly similar to the layout of an Orca and began the mental process of linking my support version of the Nestor with the established ship, almost against my will . I felt it was nessisary to expose my thinking process than to risk appearing foolish or biased toward such a ship and having any of my good arguments dismissed by association. That said, you are right that an orca is the cross between a BS hull and the logistics abilities of a carrier with a command ship thrown in for good measure. If the support Nestor is implemented, it will also have those logistics abilities but with the added benefit of combat prowess. I though it would be proper to explain exactly what I was expecting based on that range of ability.

EDIT: by strikingly similar I mean sparked the idea and the memory modified itself to fit... I need to stop posting so late

Yeah, but no cyno reqiured JD? This is a bad thing. We want this to be a support vessel and not a soloihatepeoplewtfpawnmobile.

Hey, I am all for the (covert!) JD thing, but non that does not need a cyno to be lit, that would be sheer crazyness. And yes, cap might be an issue, but than again it should never be alone.

A JD that didn't require a cyno would be easy to implement via the star map. Right click on desired star system, click 'jump to' option, jump is initiated with a random point in said star system being the arrival point. This option would only appear if the star system was within range.

As far as making the thing balanced and not completely broken, I think if it was limited to very short jumps, and was only usable with the Nestor and BLOPS it would be okay. Think half the distance of standard BLOPS jumps (so very, very limited). It could also be made more fuel-intensive.

How can the ability to enter a system undetected ever be balanced by something as simple as ISK (ie. fuel)?

Might be viable if jumpdrive connected to a gate and fuel consumption was prohibitive, most easily done by adding small'ish fuel bay. Even with those restrictions it is borderline as mobility/projection needs to be decreased across the board not expanded upon .. it is my hope that the overall warp speed increases was CCP's first step in their battle against ease-of-movement-through-jumpdrives/bridges and that the need for planning when throwing ones fat across the map is reintroduced (having umpteen logged off cyno alts scattered all over the place does not really need planning).

My words in the previous SoE thread did not fall on deaf ears: LOGI!! \o/

I cannot stress how stoked I am about this ship.

I don't get what you are excited about. For combat purposes a Dominix is superior and much cheaper. For exploration there is a very long list of ships that are a much better choice.

If it follows the line of the other ships, then what the hell is that line? Throwing the same bonuses at different hull-sizes surely is not. Especially in the case of exploration ships.

4 lows on the astero worked out to provide a reasonably resilient frig.
5 lows on the strat provides an underperforming cruiser tank
6 lows on a battleship means it'll be a joke in a firefight any of the other faction BS's could handle.

With the pricetag of the ship bieng far beyond that of any other faction BS it's wow factor should be at least equal to the current iterations of the Vindicator or Machariel. Up the ante or watch it just be a hangar decoration.

As for this bieng an answer to logis getting to fly something other than a cruiser..... a guardian or oneiros will still outperform it with ease.