EVE General Discussion

You can fit a Tornado to have volley damage over 13,000 hp. Targets fast for full damage at 30km. The risk is a 60 mil ISK fit ship. The potential payoff is the loot drop.

The rest is just a calculation.

If you have over 300mil in cargo I'd roll the dice on it.

I said that trying to steal gank loot is pretty much a non-starter these days because they're so rare. So far, nothing has really been provided to disprove this.

Steve is a single data point, not a world-wide trend. People have been stupidly stuffing their T1s full of overprices stuff since the birth of the universe; the fact that they're still doing it doesn't indicate that ganking has become more common. If anything, it shows that it's exceedingly rare since the thought apparently doesn't enter people's minds that it's a bad thing to do.

Or worse: it does enter their mind, but a rational calculation shows that the risk is so close to zero as to not matter.

Every time someone comes on the forums screaming in shock and horror about being ganked (and inevitably be shown to have all but invited that gank through their fitting and cargo choice) and kicking up a storm about how ganking is out of control, it only reinforces the sense that it's increasingly rare. The irony is that if it was even close to as common as these self-made victims proclaimed, there would be no posts because it would be such a natural part of life that no-one would bat an eye when it happened.

Best of luck in SC. See you when you realize EVE is the king spaceship game again

/c

That's not what he said...

For a similar phenomenon (events which people think are really common by their coverage but which are in fact exceedingly rare), let's use the example of school shootings. There's quite a lot of fear in the United States by people who are unaware of the statistics regarding these events. They think such events are extremely common in the US and that their children may not be safe at school.

The reality of it is that school shootings are exceedingly rare - the chances of a shooting happening at any given school in the United States in a given year is about 1 in 50,000. That's obviously not to say we shouldn't prepare for such things, but rather that we shouldn't live our lives in fear of what's essentially a random and highly unlikely event.

Plane crashes are similar. Many people have a pathological fear of flying, and yet the odds of being on a flight with at least one fatality in the bottom 39 major world airlines with the worst accident rates is still about 1 in 1.5 million.

By contrast, car accidents kill far more people and yet we hear significantly less about them because they're so ubiquitous. Car accidents kill 30,000 to 40,000 people every year in the US, and your probability of dying in a car crash by the time you're 50 is approximately 1%.

Once again Tippia is making unfounded claims about the frequency of hi-sec ganking.

Again, unless he can provide real evidence, ( that he has not been ganked for a while is NOT evidence) I call BS.

I do not know if the frequency of ganking is up, down or at a consistent level, neither does he.

But some null-sec folk do like a good whinge just for the sake of it.

Nice. I find it particularly amusing since Miniluv killed over 400 T1 industrials last month for profit.

Ordinary things are not shocking or worth commenting on every time they happen. It's not really much more complicated than that. So let's put your misinterpretation into more accurate words: as long as someone is reporting it (especially if done in a tone of shock, surprise, and outrage that it happened), it's not common enough to be so out of control as many want to claim.

Go count them on the kill boards. Last time I did, we had just over 3 hauler kills a day in December this year in Niarja — a system commonly showing up on the “gank central” list of places to avoid — compared to close to 4 four years ago. Yes, both numbers are low (unsurprisingly since ganking has never been as common as the victims are want to claim) but they're lower now regardless, in spite of having a higher population now, and in spite of fewer kills overall being reported back then.

Oh, and I've never presented being my being ganked as any kind of evidence other than to show an equally valid claim as “I was ganked, so it must be everywhere”. Or, well… more accurately, my never being ganked. Because that is the number of times it has happened to me over the last 6 years. The anecdotal claims I provide is that in my first two years, I was targeted three times (all of which failed) and after that, I was never even targeted again.


And?

Look @ some of the gankers past kills/huals. I need to get into that business too.

Have to ask: do ship hulls never drop or was that just bad luck for both participants?

You guys should check out OP's Wolf lossmail...