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Ty for proving how vile, the eve community really is.

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Sid Crash
#21 - 2013-12-29 23:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sid Crash
OP seems to be ok with blobbing the living snot out of people but somehow feels intel isn't fair, OP is also wrong on the mechanics behind it and the fact that it's not Chribba's doing at all. Then you read the OP's corp info and you realise we're dealing with someone who likes to talk a lot and is an attention whore.

In short: not supported, get out.
Scuzzy Logic
Space Spuds
#22 - 2013-12-30 01:16:55 UTC
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Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-12-30 04:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Markku Laaksonen
Just a few thoughts on the matter...

When we get wardec'ed I find the members of the corp in game and add them manually to my watch list with appropriate standings to keep them sorted in my contacts. I used to do this as I saw them flashing red in local or on other Unista's loss mails. Eventually I wised up to our intel list where diligent Unistas got together the name of every WT in the wardec'ing corp/alliance and I add them to my watch list manually. Now our intel list uses eve-who and it's practically automated. It's very convenient, simple, and easy. To take the phrase of some of the player base, eve-who (and tools like it) 'holds my hand and protects me from the evil boogeyman.'

As a side note, eve-central makes playing markets much easier. Why bother placing myself (and alts, because yay alts) where I can view several region's market data when eve-central 'holds my hand' and gives me everything I could ever want with a reasonable level of accuracy?

I use these tools. I appreciate them. But if you're going to respond to the OP with the typical "HTFU' bullshit, then you have to consider. All of these 3rd party tools exist to do something that make our lives much easier. At what point are those tools a convenience and when do they cross the line into 'dumbing down EVE' or 'hand holding'?

Edit: To clarify my position, I don't know the details of how eve-who works. Don't have much of an opinion on the matter.

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The Troll Bridge
#24 - 2013-12-30 06:45:54 UTC
Does this thread REALLY belong in F&I?

I mean the whole Wardec tears thing makes it smack of C&P.

The whole CCP Y U NO STOP GREEEEEFERS BECUZ HIGHSEK SPOSED TO BE 100PURCENT SAFE?!??!111111one111! smacks of GD.

The whole talking bad of Chribba..well... that has no place on this forum at all. That man has done more for you then you even realize.

Oh...and CCP IS making empire war a viable business...as it should be. High sec isn't 100% safe. Stop bringing your highsec entitlement to F&I.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#25 - 2013-12-30 06:54:28 UTC
As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from.

But regardless of that, I have a very similar part of eveboard that allows you to check characters over at eb:global.

Here's the problem with your request though. While I fully understand that you feel it has become easier for griefers and others pilots to find out all your members (almost all anyway) the problem with taking it away is that suddenly it's no longer accessible by the public, you, me, someone else with the click of a button.

Instead, certain griefer corps, alliances, solo pilots, anyone that really wants, will start to gather and compile this type of information themselves and hence having an advantage over you that might not there is such a thing, or have the knowledge or money to create or buy it yourself.

How many times haven't people raged about a single entity having the upper hand, be it having private tools, better intel or faster petition times. Go figure how it would look if griefer corp X still were able to keep track of your every member and only them, quite the advantage they got huh?

So while you might feel it is a sucky thing that things like this is public, at least this way your playfield is leveled with them, you can see all their members just as they can see yours, not only one side.


On the point of "access", there's no special access to CCP's data. You or anyone else could just as easily compile data like this, it's just a matter of know-how. There's no special secret database I use to get the data, tbh it's not even possible to query for a full member list of a corporation. It's just a matter of compiling millions of rows with data and group them properly. So you would see data being out of date for that very reason, because a pilot may not be in the same corporation as when the data was retrieved, that would only change once that specific pilot gets its data updated again.

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Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-12-30 06:59:36 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:


Edit: To clarify my position, I don't know the details of how eve-who works. Don't have much of an opinion on the matter.


It works pretty much via what you used to do, but some guy went out and wrote a program that does it for him. He then put it on website for people to use...both sides in a war dec can use it.

All of the information in eve-who comes from kill boards, eve-search, and other (presumably) Eve related form--i.e. you could get that information too.

For example the OP complains that all the members of his corp are known to the alliance that decced them. Well, he can learn the names of all the pilots that decced them too.

http://evewho.com/alli/P+I+R+A+T

You can add them all to your contacts list and see exactly which of them are on. You can use locator agents to learn where they are too.

Also, Eve-Who missed a number corp members in the OPs corp.

http://evewho.com/corp/Magnetic+Scent+Of+Power

I see 79 players listed.

In game the description tells me there are 85 members. So as the creator of Eve-Who notes, it is not perfect.

Does it make it easier for Eve players? Yes...all of them. Nobody is prevented from using Eve-who or eve-central. The playing field is level.

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#27 - 2013-12-30 08:42:44 UTC
Regarding that EVE-Who site, this is my favourite statement so far:

CCP Navigator wrote:
I have spoken with the developers who manage and maintain the EVE API. They have assured me that evewho is not conducting any illegal or underhand method of obtaining API information. All information gathered has been posted publicly in one form or another. We maintain a very close eye on what is happening with the API and will continue to do so./c

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#28 - 2013-12-30 08:47:38 UTC
Chribba wrote:
As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from.


Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands


you monster.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-30 08:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
op...unconfuse me, please.


When did AAv3ry leave corp? They are listed is listed on eve who is. But not on this handy dandy corporate list in your very own site. Is eve who is psychic and this person is yet to join or how old is eve who is data if they left?

Now why you are complaining about about eve who is when your corps links have your roster on your home page....well wtf is up with that and could you unconfuse me here as well.


Want to wear the tinfoil hat you have to join a tin foil corp. Trust me there are many out there. went to a new home, I ask for the location of a jb or safe pos and mr pananoid asks why you asking? Me being a smart ass go because the 20 other pl or goon spies in the alliance may have slacked off, I am just gathering intel on the 1 pos they may have missed. Got some laughs in comms...did not make me friends with mr paranoid though. Oh well.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#30 - 2013-12-30 08:50:19 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from.


Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands


you monster.

Sticky.

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#31 - 2013-12-30 08:53:01 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from.


Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands


you monster.

Sticky.


This answer deserves at least 10 likes and maybe some lols in addition. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-12-30 08:58:42 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Chribba wrote:
As others mentioned, EVE Who isn't my site, not sure where OP got that idea from.


Deny it all you want. How does it feel to have all that blood on your hands


you monster.

Sticky.


As always, I admire you for your honesty.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-12-30 12:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Not supported. HTFU. You have the same access as the griefer corps - add their members to your watchlist and use locator agents to track their movements and stay (reasonably) safe.

Yes, everyone can use. Doesn't mean it's good.

I don't support eve-who being cut off from API feeds.

I do support closing any API feeds whatsoever (safe for those protected, like character info APIs only owner can use). Wanna intel - please jump in your ship, haul your arse there and do it via in-game means.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-12-30 12:52:25 UTC
Zainawa Barviainen wrote:
You are destroying high sec for those of us have have lived in null n do not want to go back


yes evewho is making the game absolutely unplayable in hisec

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#35 - 2013-12-30 12:53:59 UTC
Zainawa Barviainen wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Zainawa Barviainen wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is)


EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related

U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp



After actually reading what it is the OP is right in the fact it's not api related, but really it's just using publicly available information like eve-kill. Same way Wormhol.es works. The OP's statement about it being linked is unfounded and quite amusingly paranoid.


wrong, it lists both my alts who have never fire a shot at anyone nor been killed by anyone

So explain that.

It's bs and i can assure you, i am not paranoid at all.
It uses the API.

Here's how it works: To obtain character information, it hands the character name or id to the API server, which return the character info.

Now what you are asking is, how do they get the name or ID? It's not through API scraping (which is by going id by id though the API ignoring invalid ones).
What they do is they sit characters in popular systems and channels, then they pull all of the names and ids they can out of chat logs, cached portraits, killboards, the forum, pretty much anywhere they can. Once a characters ID is in the list, it will be there forever and will simply update whenever that character changes corp, etc.

It's all standard stuff that anyone can do. They don't have access to the server, you are simply assuming incorrectly. Get over it.

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#36 - 2013-12-30 13:01:53 UTC
I actually find EVE-Who to be very useful as an intel source against War Deccing alliances.

Now, can you point to hard data and not opinion that backs up your claim that EVE-Who is directly responsible for increasing High Sec war decs?

All EVE who does is compile data that is otherwise spread out into one location. Anyone can look up a corps kill board. Anyone can see it. Even you. It takes a lot of work out of researching corporations that war dec'ed my alliance and sure, they can see most of it's members, but I can see most of theirs as well.

It evens the playing field.

But actually increase war decs? You seriously don't know how the 'pros' work do you? You or some other member of your corp were most likely seen with something of high value either PvE-ing or transporting to a trade hub on many an occasion and they decided hey, they may have some great loot dropping if we war dec them. Or someone you ticked off in the forums decided to hire a merc corp to go after you.

They would have done all the research with or without EVE-Who and came up with the same list.

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#37 - 2013-12-30 13:03:31 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:


As always, I admire you for your honesty.


Clearly a face saving move. ;)

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-12-30 13:22:47 UTC
You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the **** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess.

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Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be.....


Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will. P

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Squizz Caphinator
The Wormhole Police
#39 - 2013-12-30 13:46:48 UTC
Hi folks,

Like Chribba has already said, EveWho isn't his site, its mine. Chribba, take praise in the idea that all eve related websites lead to you! Long live the Veldnaught!

Anyhow, the link is http://evewho.com not the http://www.eve-who.com that is mislinked by OP. I don't know or care who owns eve-who.com, props to them if they come up with something useful.

In any case, all the concerns that were raised in this thread have already been discussed and answered in other threads. Do your research!

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#40 - 2013-12-30 14:05:23 UTC
Are you serious?

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