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Daniel Ross Rollard
Miners Inn
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-12-29 19:58:58 UTC
I think Frigher ship can only be use for station and not at ice field or or I see too many big fleet out there using them through the orca so I think eve should make it only a frighter and make it fair for the miner out there
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#2 - 2013-12-29 20:48:09 UTC
I appreciate that English may not be your first language - but I honestly can't work out what you're talking about - fighters maybe?
please run your text through a basic English spell-check first

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-12-29 21:38:24 UTC
Freighters, I think? Can you load them up from an orca?
Draconigea
Angry Angels Nachrichtendienst
#4 - 2013-12-29 21:58:39 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Freighters, I think? Can you load them up from an orca?


Since Retribution I think
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-12-29 22:03:28 UTC
Daniel Ross Rollard wrote:
I think Frigher ship can only be use for station and not at ice field or or I see too many big fleet out there using them through the orca so I think eve should make it only a frighter and make it fair for the miner out there

Its fair, get one yourself or join a fleet with one.

0/10 for envy

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#6 - 2013-12-29 23:25:13 UTC
personally don't mind, but lore-wise it seems a bit wrong........ that's what indies (especially the ummm, miasmos, epitathal?) are for, if freighters are squeezing an indy out of a role, that should be stopped, sharpish, methinks

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-12-29 23:38:49 UTC
It's hardly squeezing anything out of a role given the sizes of the holds in the miasmos and the orca. Stop people loading freighters from their orcas and they'll just use the orca itself to shuttle the stuff to a station, surely?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-12-30 00:38:24 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
It's hardly squeezing anything out of a role given the sizes of the holds in the miasmos and the orca. Stop people loading freighters from their orcas and they'll just use the orca itself to shuttle the stuff to a station, surely?

i thougth this was still how they do it, 5 hulks, to 2 orcas, rotating travel to a station with a freighter.
Malseir Dabian
Shadow Consortium Holding's
Invictus Mortalitas
#9 - 2013-12-30 01:06:49 UTC
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
I appreciate that English may not be your first language - but I honestly can't work out what you're talking about - fighters maybe?
please run your text through a basic English spell-check first


Let me translate:

Freighters need to be set back to where they can not loot cargo containers from space.

Reason:

Freighters are being used as massive Orcas in ice belts by botters to farm an entire "Ice roid" in under 2 minuets.


My own conclusion based on attempting to mine ice in Osmon:

He's right, there's about 5 botters in that system who run 20-40 procurrer blob fleets which sit next to a freighter, they focus their beams on a roid and 1-5 minuets later it pops before anyone else can get more then 1-2 cycles. And unfortunately we can't Full rack BS smart bomb gank procurers (Or mining fleets) anymore so they are 100% safe.

This needs to stop.
Daenika
Chambers of Shaolin
#10 - 2013-12-30 06:09:45 UTC
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Freighters need to be set back to where they can not loot cargo containers from space.


This would also mortally wound high-sec suicide ganking. Some may call that a good thing, but it's obviously a legit playstyle, and I doubt CCP would be on board with a change that as a side effect completely destroyed an entire playstyle.

It also present problems with using freighters in POSes, since those function mechanically much like cans in space. It also presents issues with using a freighter to loot destroyed POSes, in particular exploded CHAs.

That's a fair amount of side effects for a problem that isn't even intrinsic to freighters (the root problem being the ease in which bots can be deployed to mine, and the difficulty in catching and/or deterring them).
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-30 06:52:24 UTC
What would a frighter ship do ?

Maybe it could scare away concord.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-12-30 09:36:38 UTC
Malseir Dabian wrote:


Freighters are being used as massive Orcas in ice belts by botters to farm an entire "Ice roid" in under 2 minuets.



How can freighters be used as orcas? Last time I've checked, freighters didn't have a fleet hangar.

And one more to educate you a little:

ISboxers are no botters, and the freighter does not have anything to do with it. If you would remove the freighter, those 20 procs would still farm roids in under 2 minutes while the hauling would take a second orca instead of the freighter.

TLDR: Your "Idea" is bullshit. Sry to say, but that's what it is. Removing freighters from belts will not achieve anything.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-12-30 09:43:26 UTC
Malseir Dabian wrote:

This needs to stop.


Yes you need to stop accusing multiboxers of botting. Practically all the mining bots out there run single ship that dock up to clear their ore bay.


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