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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#21 - 2011-11-23 12:15:09 UTC
Albert Threestone wrote:
When you start eve you mostly start with either missions or mining. That's how you are drawn into eve.

Is that a fact? You're sure that's not just an unfounded assumption loosely based on a sweeping generalization of the game's player base?

The rest of the stuff you wrote wasn't even English, so I can't make an argument against it, since I don't know what the hell you were talking about.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#22 - 2011-11-23 12:29:46 UTC
I like eating grapes. Does this game have grapes? It's a damned sandbox ! It has grapes!! Infact, you aren't playing EVE the right way unless you are eating the sandy grapes of EVE.

Yeah nothing added to mining in the last few years. Some missioning stuff and plenty of other stuff added.
But you can play this game solo or in groups. If you're in a group and the group leaves or changes too much then you either leave EVE, find another group or become a solo player.
Zeet A'Dron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-11-23 12:47:59 UTC
Albert Threestone wrote:
Just an observation from my side. I came back after a 2 year break.

A lot that was annoying me got better. Some incredible stuff was added. After seeing the toon editor, a lot of the other mmo just look plain uggly. And even though there is absolutely no game play improvement it still is a great technical achievement.

Than I checked my buddy list, mainly composed of mission runners and miners. 95% have left the game. Than checking what has been achieved in the area of mission runners and miners I guess I know why.

Simply almost no new content, and making miners even better targets for gankers did not help a lot either.

So I guess I should applaud to CCP. You successfully removed the guy's that mostly wanted to do some solo money now and then without too much social interference or waiting for others from the game.

Good to see you don't need thier money



i didnt read all the responses that flammed you but you're basically right.

Add contract scams to the mix, and don't forget about botters either.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-11-23 12:51:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on.

1000 times this.

Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone.


well that would leave EVE with about 20k subscribers total Big smile

Anyway EVE cycle is do some stuff, lose space, move to high sec, log here and there, train for several months not loging to play, unsub, come back an year or so later. At least my EVE cycle What?
Psychophantic
#25 - 2011-11-23 12:52:44 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Are you a car person? I'm not a car person, but you might be one, so let's make a car example. Let's say some minor car manufacturer is producing a sports coupe. A good amount of young guys and businessmen going through their mid-life crises are buying this sports coupe, and the manufacturer is doing pretty well by catering to those market segments.

The sports coupe caught your eyes, and you went out and bought one. But you're a soccer mom. You're driving the car, and realizing that it's not all that enjoyable when you're forced to stash half of your kids in the trunk with the groceries. You want changes made, and you want them to be made now. You want the next line of this company's sports coupes to be reconstructed according to your demands, so you can trade yours in for the newer model.

"There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms."


You mean like the Porsche Cayenne, Lamborghini Estoque, or the 4 seater Ferraris ?

How dare they try to cater to a larger audience. I bet the purists were mighty upset.
Psychophantic
#26 - 2011-11-23 12:57:05 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Albert Threestone wrote:
When you start eve you mostly start with either missions or mining. That's how you are drawn into eve.

Is that a fact? You're sure that's not just an unfounded assumption loosely based on a sweeping generalization of the game's player base?

The rest of the stuff you wrote wasn't even English, so I can't make an argument against it, since I don't know what the hell you were talking about.


I seem to recall being given missions from Aura when I first started. Lots of helpful missions, even missions with mining in them.

Sure beats a message saying Nulls that way -> go pew pew you hardcore space pirate you.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-11-23 13:00:46 UTC
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on.

1000 times this.

Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone.


Oh ffs. You're 100,000 times wrong.

There are many other lifestyles in EVE besides yours... the game will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate playing styles. Yes, even sims in space.


A funny comment from an ex-eve PvP player in another game; when asked if they had the patience for playing.

"Patience? I have a lot of patience. I played EVE for over 2 years and 10 hour a day gate camps... You develop a lot of patience doing that."

I still snicker about it. Yeah there are other lifestyles in EVE.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-11-23 13:03:42 UTC
the miners unsubbed because there is no point in paying for an account that ya cant make decent isk from.

mineral prices are too low.... loot, npc hauler spawns and drone poo account for the majority of mineral sources now anyways. Its become too dangerous mining them now thanks to Eve online becoming suicide gank online making the risk too high vs too little reward.

Once tier 3 bc's and buffed destroyers are available next week i'd expect even more players to unsub their soon to be obsolete mining alt accounts. And just run incursions or missions with their main accounts instead.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-11-23 13:06:28 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
the miners unsubbed because there is no point in paying for an account that ya cant make decent isk from.

mineral prices are too low.... loot, npc hauler spawns and drone poo account for the majority of mineral sources now anyways. Its become too dangerous mining them now thanks to Eve online becoming suicide gank online making the risk too high vs too little reward.

Once tier 3 bc's and buffed destroyers are available next week i'd expect even more players to unsub their soon to be obsolete mining alt accounts. And just run incursions or missions with their main accounts instead.


I don't get this... You want mining to be very easy, very rewarding and very boring? ShockedShocked

I I was a miner I would love the current situation! More risk, more rewards and more fun.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#30 - 2011-11-23 13:10:25 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Are you a car person? I'm not a car person, but you might be one, so let's make a car example. Let's say some minor car manufacturer is producing a sports coupe. A good amount of young guys and businessmen going through their mid-life crises are buying this sports coupe, and the manufacturer is doing pretty well by catering to those market segments.

The sports coupe caught your eyes, and you went out and bought one. But you're a soccer mom. You're driving the car, and realizing that it's not all that enjoyable when you're forced to stash half of your kids in the trunk with the groceries. You want changes made, and you want them to be made now. You want the next line of this company's sports coupes to be reconstructed according to your demands, so you can trade yours in for the newer model.

"There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms."


You mean like the Porsche Cayenne, Lamborghini Estoque, or the 4 seater Ferraris ?

How dare they try to cater to a larger audience. I bet the purists were mighty upset.

My allegory dealt with one product made by one company. Your counterpoint deals with multiple products made by any particular company. If CCP had been running more than one game, then your counterpoint would have been valid.

I'll make it even simpler: your counterpoint is based off of the fact that those companies started new product lines to cater to wider customer audiences. Are you saying that CCP's solution is in either creating a new game for the more, uh, "passive" players, or perhaps sharding the current one?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-11-23 13:10:51 UTC
I think that all highsec dwellers - nullsec alts should unite and move to null in fleet BS and interdictors and logis .. get some low sec bears in carriers ... and just burn it ...

Who die last is an coward.

Imagine fleet counting 12k+ just roaming... altho it would require several FC and high command chanell .. which is probably not achievable Sad
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-11-23 13:26:20 UTC
This is how this reads to me

"Just an observation from my side. I came back to the playground after a 2 year break.

Than I checked my buddy list, mainly composed of swing and roundabout users. 95% have left the game. Than checking what has been achieved in the area of swing and roundabouts I guess I know why."


You're missing the kids playing cops and robbers or running around screaming or the hide and seek that's going on.


Eve provides tools and game mechanics for you to play with, the fun is made by you.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#33 - 2011-11-23 13:26:23 UTC
why in hell u want more missions... pve fries your brains, makes u emo quit out of boredom...

trading is the way to go

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-11-23 13:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
why in hell u want more missions... pve fries your brains, makes u emo quit out of boredom...

trading is the way to go


It actually doesnt make you emo quite. It just make you fade away.

Anyway if you lack goal, any activity become meaningless and therefore boring. If you can get yourself over it you can quite effectively do anything with about same enthusiasm as an rock thrown down the waterfall to the river. Things just happening and you dont give a ****. Altho it somehow beats the goal of entertainment.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-11-23 13:28:05 UTC
They did add Incursions, that's pretty big for the mission running crowd. And they're putting in more exploration sites and buffing existing ones for Crucible. Mining could use a bit more attention.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#36 - 2011-11-23 13:33:12 UTC
Heinel Sidewind wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

blablabla.

Please close for no content.


Tsk tsk. We are producing content here by inducing tears. Keep on lynching.


I like your style, Mr. Forum Alt.Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-11-23 13:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
DeBingJos wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
the miners unsubbed because there is no point in paying for an account that ya cant make decent isk from.

mineral prices are too low.... loot, npc hauler spawns and drone poo account for the majority of mineral sources now anyways. Its become too dangerous mining them now thanks to Eve online becoming suicide gank online making the risk too high vs too little reward.

Once tier 3 bc's and buffed destroyers are available next week i'd expect even more players to unsub their soon to be obsolete mining alt accounts. And just run incursions or missions with their main accounts instead.


I don't get this... You want mining to be very easy, very rewarding and very boring? ShockedShocked

I I was a miner I would love the current situation! More risk, more rewards and more fun.


no i never said i want mining to be easy... i said why alot of mining alt accounts are going unsubbed some of mine included. i couldn't care less about mining these days as i make my isk running incursions & PI. yes i used to mine before too... i have 8 hulks and 8 mackinaws that have been gathering space dust since dominion expansion.

there is no big reward for mining.... certainly more risk for mining but crap all reward for it.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#38 - 2011-11-23 13:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Imryn Xaran
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Are you a car person? I'm not a car person, but you might be one, so let's make a car example. Let's say some minor car manufacturer is producing a sports coupe. A good amount of young guys and businessmen going through their mid-life crises are buying this sports coupe, and the manufacturer is doing pretty well by catering to those market segments.

The sports coupe caught your eyes, and you went out and bought one. But you're a soccer mom. You're driving the car, and realizing that it's not all that enjoyable when you're forced to stash half of your kids in the trunk with the groceries. You want changes made, and you want them to be made now. You want the next line of this company's sports coupes to be reconstructed according to your demands, so you can trade yours in for the newer model.

"There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms."


You mean like the Porsche Cayenne, Lamborghini Estoque, or the 4 seater Ferraris ?

How dare they try to cater to a larger audience. I bet the purists were mighty upset.

My allegory dealt with one product made by one company. Your counterpoint deals with multiple products made by any particular company. If CCP had been running more than one game, then your counterpoint would have been valid.

I'll make it even simpler: your counterpoint is based off of the fact that those companies started new product lines to cater to wider customer audiences. Are you saying that CCP's solution is in either creating a new game for the more, uh, "passive" players, or perhaps sharding the current one?


Your original metaphor is flawed: car manufacturers do not sell cars, they sell ranges of cars. CCP isn't the "sports coupe" its General Motors. It might use the flashy "sports coupe" to lure people in through the door but you can bet that they are selling heaps more 5 door hatchbacks and people carriers than coupes.

Dropping the (flawed and also crap) metaphor, CCP has just one product to sell so it is in their best interests to make it appealing to as broad a market segment as they can; miners and missioners need love just as much as pvpers and gankers.

Finally, to the guy who mentioned the epic arcs I reply "COSMOS". One whole great chunk of the game that has been broken and never fixed.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#39 - 2011-11-23 14:12:04 UTC
Imryn Xaran wrote:
Your original metaphor is flawed: car manufacturers do not sell cars, they sell ranges of cars. CCP isn't the "sports coupe" its General Motors. It might use the flashy "sports coupe" to lure people in through the door but you can bet that they are selling heaps more 5 door hatchbacks and people carriers than coupes.

Dropping the (flawed and also crap) metaphor, CCP has just one product to sell so it is in their best interests to make it appealing to as broad a market segment as the can, so miners and missioners need love just as much as pvpers and gankers.

Once again, I'm no car person, but what about companies like Lotus, Pagani, Saleen, et cetera? Sure, you can say that all car manufacturers sell ranges of cars, but there is a whole bunch of non-megacorporate small-scale builders who cater to specific customer demographics, such as the sports coupe demographic in my example.

Does every car manufacturer need to be on the scale of Toyota, GM, Ford, Hyundai, and so on? Is CCP obligated to reach the scale of, say, Blizzard? Why? Why can't CCP focus on a more specialized product that appeals to a narrower range of customers? Why does CCP need to move away from their original image of EVE Online, a "cold, harsh universe," to something that's family-friendly and able to cater to people who seek a passive, single-player experience?

You said CCP is like General Motors? How? How many different products does CCP offer? What is CCP's MMO market capitalization?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#40 - 2011-11-23 14:16:42 UTC
To the OP:

Have you not heard of T.R.I.A.D.? Its a player base that offers player driven missions. i.e. player driven content. If you don't know where to look, I'll help you.

http://triad-eve.net/stationinb.php?reloaded=true#

Also, stop bashing EVE if you don't know what it is.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
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