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Another Post on Suicide Ganking

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-12-28 03:14:47 UTC
Silpheran wrote:
So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.


They actually didn't miss the point. The best defense is not to put yourself in a bad situation. AFK at a belt in an untanked Retriever is just like posting a sign that says "Please gank and pod me!"

You're saying the RL equivalent of "I parked my new car in the ghetto and took a nap since it seemed like a great place with the low lighting and all. Of course I left the doors unlocked, keys in the ignition and put my wallet with money sticking out on the dash. The next thing I knew is someone robbed me at gunpoint, taking my money and car! I really think there needs to be a better way to stop these nasty criminals that took advantage of poor helpless me me at no risk to themselves. Please make it where I can get back at the mean people that hurt me"
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-12-29 14:52:13 UTC
Silpheran wrote:
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TL;DR

I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

You already have that ability... What you're really whining about is that most gankers aren't stupid enough to fly around AFK with valuable ships and pods that make your killboard look good...

Just like ganking takes effort and isk, so does hunting down gankers and getting 'even' so stop complaining about lack of easy targets (which ironicaly is what most carebears acuse gankers of: only going after easy targets).
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-12-29 14:59:49 UTC
Also: I often go around flying being an easy target, I rat/mission/scout while being suspect in the same systems as where I gank, with tons of ppl having kill rights on me online in the same system, giving them every opportunity to hunt me down actively. I've been doing this for months now.

Would you like to have a guess at the number of ppl that actually came after me?
I'll give you a hint: it's a single digit and has a Japanese WWII fighter named after it....
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-12-29 15:21:36 UTC
OP: please spend some time re acquainting yourself with "how it is" before mads.
Thank you for your understanding.
<3 someone who loves to gank people like you.

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Kajaastas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-12-29 18:45:35 UTC
Want to regulate against them?

1. Dont fly stupid fit bling ships.
2. Turn your damn tanking mods on when undocking.
3. Stop being a crap carebear. Twisted
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-12-30 02:48:25 UTC
summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

concord will hover in your belt for what, an hour? giving you free security.

technically illigal? yes. Do i care if you do it, if it frustrates gankers? no. In fact, tears from gankers for a change, crying how carebears exploiting concord to protect themselves, boo hoo, wouyd be sweet to hear.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-12-30 03:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

concord will hover in your belt for what, an hour? giving you free security.

technically illigal? yes. Do i care if you do it, if it frustrates gankers? no. In fact, tears from gankers for a change, crying how carebears exploiting concord to protect themselves, boo hoo, wouyd be sweet to hear.
Not only isn't it illegal and nobody cares about it, gankers can remove the CONCORD spawn and there's also no time limit.

You like proving everybody that you're clueless, hu ? :D

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The Eccentric Billionaire
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-12-30 19:08:04 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.

TL;DR: Don't reply

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-12-30 19:29:46 UTC
The Eccentric Billionaire wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.


Ok, just stop.

Look, I have ganked. I have been ganked. I love the risk involved in EvE, and am against any form of nerf to PVP. But you cant keep looking at every aspect of the game from a purely gank side of the table. For example:

Minerman gets ganked in his whatever mining flavor ship he picked. He is upset about this and is told to stop tearing, HTFU, adapt, ect. Creatively, he then pulls CONCORD to the belt. How is this not "adapting"? Seems like a rather brilliant mechanic if you ask me, as long as there cant be infinite CONCORD spawns in any one system.

So, in the exact same regard, Minerman can now tell Gankerman to stop tearing, HTFU, and adapt. Works both ways. If they are AFK, they wont notice when you pull CONCORD out of the belt, and thus leave themselves open to your judgement once more.

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-12-31 00:49:52 UTC
The Eccentric Billionaire wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.

What the **** are you on? It's not an exploit. It's perfectly legal. Stop spreading bullshit, sucker!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-12-31 04:23:30 UTC
Listen, it's hard enough for new guys to catch up on everything without some dickhead making **** up and giving them the wrong idea. When discussing the mechanics of the game, please only state actual facts as facts.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-12-31 04:42:29 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Listen, it's hard enough for new guys to catch up on everything without some dickhead making **** up and giving them the wrong idea. When discussing the mechanics of the game, please only state actual facts as facts.


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2013-12-31 08:51:48 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
The Eccentric Billionaire wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.

What the **** are you on? It's not an exploit. It's perfectly legal. Stop spreading bullshit, sucker!

You might want to check that with a GM. Previous threads discussing the pre-spawning of Concord as a protection fleet have been locked for discussing potential exploits. Not that doing so will do you any good, gankers use the Concord spawn mechanics to draw them to a place of their choosing by committing a Concordokken offence.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-12-31 09:01:48 UTC
Hi OP...

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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-12-31 12:38:55 UTC
IIshira wrote:


You're saying the RL equivalent of "I parked my new car in the ghetto and took a nap since it seemed like a great place with the low lighting and all. Of course I left the doors unlocked, keys in the ignition and put my wallet with money sticking out on the dash. The next thing I knew is someone robbed me at gunpoint, taking my money and car! I really think there needs to be a better way to stop these nasty criminals that took advantage of poor helpless me me at no risk to themselves. Please make it where I can get back at the mean people that hurt me"


I really like this comparison. If I may add, there are also many "innocent" by-standers who were awoken by the screams in local. They too have new cars in that lot and are all now watching as you get robbed. You continue your calls for help, but these "innocents" look away - not wanting to get involved or draw attention to themselves.

They are like live stock, each knowing that one day it will be their turn to visit the slaughter house, but until then, they graze peacefully on the green fields.



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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-01-01 01:17:08 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
IIshira wrote:


You're saying the RL equivalent of "I parked my new car in the ghetto and took a nap since it seemed like a great place with the low lighting and all. Of course I left the doors unlocked, keys in the ignition and put my wallet with money sticking out on the dash. The next thing I knew is someone robbed me at gunpoint, taking my money and car! I really think there needs to be a better way to stop these nasty criminals that took advantage of poor helpless me me at no risk to themselves. Please make it where I can get back at the mean people that hurt me"


I really like this comparison. If I may add, there are also many "innocent" by-standers who were awoken by the screams in local. They too have new cars in that lot and are all now watching as you get robbed. You continue your calls for help, but these "innocents" look away - not wanting to get involved or draw attention to themselves.

They are like live stock, each knowing that one day it will be their turn to visit the slaughter house, but until then, they graze peacefully on the green fields.


I think this is human nature. In RL one wants to risk their own death so this allows small groups of people to kill larger groups by picking off a few at a time. I'm sure some of this transfers to online behavior in Eve.

Oh the delicious Veldspar in this belt... Just ignore that guy being murdered over there so they won't bother us Big smile
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-01-01 20:07:00 UTC
OP mentioned going after the gankers benefactors.. I've been a deep cover spy in the New Order for 9 months, you know learning their schedules and such. Just recently I've found their secret donor list. These guys give the order billions in isk to purchase gank catalysts. Its really sickening. If you interrupt the flow of isk, the ganking will stop, or at least decline greatly. Any way, here is the donor list:

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html

I recommend wardecing their corps. Starting with mynnna's alliance and of course Chribba.

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V A N D A L I S M
#38 - 2014-01-02 19:59:00 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....

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TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2014-01-02 21:54:46 UTC
Silpheran wrote:
I have recently come back to the game to find that hisec space is being regulated by suicide gankers. I know suicide ganking is part of the game, but I do have an issue with the way this is implemented.

The issue I have is that career suicide gankers (those with terrible standings) have so little to lose when ganking a ship in hisec. They obviously do not care about standings and only fly ships they do not miss. However, they are able to dispatch ships 10 times their value before getting a slap on the hand from concord. Finding them and retaliating outs them a couple mil, but you are only going to catch them when they are en route to a gank as these characters are used for nothing else. Wardecs are impossible due to these people existing in NPC corps or single man corps. Kill Rights are useless because of the value of ships these alts usually employ.

I do admit that I have spent a fair share of my time a couple years ago being a hisec carebear, but please do not mistake this for carebear tears. I just want a similar opportunity to return the favor as I am developing an interest in pvp, and who better to kill than those who have killed you Big smile.

I do not know what the fix would be, as I do think that being an outlaw should be a viable play style. Maybe a witness list in killmail, people on grid that were in sensor range during the crime, so that I could place bounties on their "scouts". Or if there was someway to link the scout with the crime (this probably cannot be done without creating big issues). Kill Rights that continued until you have "killed back" the cost of your ship at market.

If you have read, thanks for your time, and fly safe. Or not, I don't really care. Have fun.

TL;DR

I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

There was always suicide ganking. It is not something new.
More subscribers aka players naturally lead to more gankers.
Increased ganking means CCP earns more money.
Profit.

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Paranoid Loyd
#40 - 2014-01-02 22:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Julius Maagnus wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....


There are either multiple reasons or one reason, which is it? You gave him two "the only reason you gank" reasons.

We are obviously not as smart as you. Please clarify, you uber successful leet PVP dixie camper. Roll

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