Science & Industry

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Looks like you can average out around 30mil on nullsec ores per hour. Maybe lower if you mine the whole belt? I'm not sure how you figured out your numbers.

Anywho, if you have 5 macks...you are doing around 100-150mil an hour. With multibox you can make more than mission runners since it's fairly easy to run multiple accounts. I have yet to see someone run 5 accounts do do a few missions. I'm not even sure it'd be all that profitable anyway.

I think that's really the issue with mineral rates going down. More and more people seem to have multiple accounts. Hell, I have 3 and only wanted 1...but when in Rome.

It's not about whining or not, I'm only tired of seeing this piece of rational being flung around whenever someone feel like it.

CCP cannot fully balance such a massive and plentiful game, even around a simple concept, it would require at least the full man/brain power of blizzard/activision to do so.

The risk will never really be exactly commensurate to the reward unless we simply drop players' interactions altogether, but that would make EVE a solo video game.

So people should stop posting monolines about grand theories when they simply cannot exist, it's only fool's gold.

Most people make the mistake of assuming they can mine as much Mercoxit as other ores.

In fact, Mercoxit tends to hover around the value of Pyroxeres, because of the reduced yield when using a Deep Core strip.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that the addition of the ore anomalies was a very good thing. This was a good thing for new explorers and other newer players as you said.

However my point is that the gravametric sites did not have to be removed for the ore anomalies to be added. Removing them did not add anything to the game. all the benefits the game saw were from the addition of ore anomalies, and had nothing to do with the removal of gravametric sites.

This change was put into place by converting the existing gravametric sites into ore anomalies, but it did not need to be done that way. Gravametric sites could easily be added back in to the game without disrupting the balance. just make them slightly bigger, or give them +5% ores compared to there anomaly counter parts. Or even make them slightly worse with their benefit being the added security of having to be scanned down.

I do agree that freelance mining is a niche play style, and if its removal added something to another part of the game, I would have no issue with it, hurt the few to benefit the many, but it did not. The removal of gravametric sites did nothing but remove content that did not have to be removed.

As I said before, combat explorers have the choice between the three site types what they want to run. they can run the static sites from the landmarks that show on the over view, they can run the anomalies that can be found with the standard ship scanner, or they can use probes to find the hidden signature sites. Is it really unreasonable for miners to have the same choice available, miners are already stuck making far less isk/hr than the combat pilots, that is enough of a disadvantage, why must we also have our content stripped away.

I say again, the addition of ore anomalies was a very good thing, but it did not require the removal of gravametric sites (ore signatures).

We should have both ore anomalies, and ore signatures, just like combat pilots have both combat anomalies, and combat signatures. I am not asking for these changes to be reverted, just add random ore signatures back into the game. If the nullbears are happy with their hidden belts now being anomalies rather than signatures, then fine, leave them that way, but give us freelancers back the random ORE signatures that the gravametric sites once were. there are more freelancers out there than you think, but most of them are antisocial, and do not bother with the forums.

Additional food for thought. The larger Gravametric sites were the smallest signatures, and hardest to nail down. There had to be a reason why these sites were chosen to be the least accessible. Why was this necessary? It was done because the original developers knew that a mining ship caught out in low or null sec was dead, their only defense was being hard to find. The same reason why the original skiff had natural warp core stability. To evade and escape, not stand and fight. mining ships can not fight back effectively, and should not be able to, their defense is evasion, not tank or DPS. Now the sites have gone from the hardest sites to find, to taking no effort or equipment at all to find. That is a huge shift in mechanics.Tank means nothing in null sec if you can not escape, or kill your attacker before they kill you, you are dead. The mining ship changes helped high sec miners survive suicide gankers, but did nothing for those not protected under the CONCORD banner. Anyone crazy enough to mine in low sec or NPC null was dependent on that extra few seconds seeing the probes on D-scan gave them, now mining in those same sites which are now anomalies is suicide.

And yet consumption, with a larger pilot population than ever (500,000 subscriptions, dontchaknow ! ! ! ) is slumping.

While I personally believe (having been in and out of the game since Exodus, long enough to see most cycles repeat themselves) that we'll see a good upswing in prices with Rubicon and "Whatever Comes After Rubicon" --- there just isn't the mining activity that there used to be.

Indeed, since the "rebalance", I've seen large asteroid belts in the same hi sec systems, that used to get mined out in half a day, survive almost a week at a time. That did not used to happen.

Indeed, the FORUMS were full of people screaming that the roid spawns were too few and too easily eaten up by big mining fleets .

4m in ore in 20 minutes works out actually to 12m an hour. Not 120.

Cycle time is wrong on that ISK/hour. 104.1seconds/cycle with Max Rorqual boosts. I know you'll argue that .04 difference doesn't mean much, but when making calculations, point-accuracy is everything.

So how many units of scrap metal do you have to reprocess to make a Titan, anyway?

most of the income from missions come from market (used to be even more). The majority of income is from LP store and that is affected by market prices.

Also in past there was significant loot in misisons, so more linked to market.

Your refined mineral count per batch of ore is way off. You're still using old calculations. Here's what the new ore-to-refined minerals are

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Refining

For example, on your sheet you have


Arkonor 300(Trit) 166(Zydrine) 333(Megacyte)

When it should be

Arkonor 10000(Trit) 166(Zydrine) 333(Megacyte)