EVE General Discussion

Gate in range of celestial. Warp to celestial. Overview to everything. Dscan.
Gate not in range of celestial. Dump cap. Partial warp to gate. Overview to everything. Dscan.
No bubbles. Go.
Bubbles, no drones/cans. Approach from celestial/nonaligned safe.
Bubbles, cans, drones, ships, find some other way.

The only thing I hate about bubbles is how they look when you have a dozen or so of them on top of one another.

Seriously, you can't see anything in that ****. I doubt that's intended. If CCP could fix that all would be good.

I never noticed it impairing visibility until after the change. For each bubble you have to look through it gets brighter and brighter, to the point where if you're looking through 5+ bubbles it's so ridiculously bright you can't see anything, not to mention it puts a lot of stress on my computer.

Individual bubbles look great, but when they're stacked it's absolutely horrific. I'll get a screenshot here soon.

Erm, this thread seems to have evolved into a "how to bypass bubbles" thread, but the point I think the OP was making was that his ship is being influenced by bubbles, even though the entirety of his actual flightpath was outside the range of the bubble.

If I've got this correct, a T2 large bubble anchored at 10 KM from a gate would affect an area up to 50 KM from the gate, assuming it's lined up between the 2 gates. If you warp to 100 KM, you haven't reached it yet to be affected by it.

I'm wondering if the server calculations are being done in the wrong order, i.e.

1. Draw a line between Source and Destination gate
2. Check for existence of bubbles. If so, mark ship as being drag-able.
3. THEN check for modifiers to destination (e.g. -100 KM)

The destination is not the gate! So why is the server thinking there's a bubble in his flightpath?

I'm only guessing, but I thought I read somewhere that anything warp-related is calculated in advance, and not done per server-tick. Is that true?

If that is the case, I'm surprised none of you have complained that you can't anchor a bubble after someone has initiated warp. Can someone verify that that is the case, or do you still get dragged out after warp is initiated (assuming there were no bubbles when you started)?

Thanks - I actually learnt something.

I think that's probably what he's complaining about, though. The calculations are "highly simplified", and not done in "real-time" (i.e. server-ticks). Understandable for a developer to not want to over-complicate things in the early days, though, but it would be nice if basic mechanics like that were reviewed every so often (but perhaps they are, and no changes were deemed necessary).

I wasn't around at the time, but has "warp to a distance" not always been an option? i.e. it always used to be "warp to 15 KM", then they added "warp to zero" and "warp to other distances" after bookmark-spam?

At what point were bubbles introduced? I'm just wondering if they inherited an unintended/unexpected mechanic.

Edit: it would be nice if the module description would mention its sphere of influence, not just scramble range.

It works like this: http://i.imgur.com/wCKxdWb.png The blue arrows are intended warps, while the red marks indicate where warps get stopped and where you get "dragged" to.

The calculation on whether you land on the gate or in a bubble is done at the time your ship enters warp, not when you enter grid. This actually prevents a "cheap" tactic of the camper up the bubble (using an interdictor or such) as the target is already helplessly in warp, making scouting / d-scanning actually effective.

The calculation is so "simple" since even as it is, it can be fairly difficult to get a good spot for a bubble, particularly if you're aiming for a drag bubble.

If you're in an interceptor or a nullified T3, you are also immune to these "drag" effects in addition to being able to warp from within the bubble.

So EVE definition of a trap is "something that will catch you if you as much as walk in its direction even if you don't really reach it".

I wonder how much alcohol and 16 hour nights it takes until something like that makes sense...

Because the trap pulls you in. Seriously? Come on now.

Such traps are not difficult to evade, if you care to go to the trouble of making any effort to do so. Generally, warping to a nearby moon then warping to a gate will allow you to completely ignore such snares. If the route is one you travel frequently, make bookmarks a few hundred kilometres to the side of/above/below the gates and use those.

Drag bubbles only catch the lazy

Hey guy, I launched a bubble with my Sabre & died because I couldn't warp away. Is there any logical reasoning behind this game mechanic?