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General advice regarding my EVE Career?
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Kaiserin Schlacht
Where's Your Castle
#1 - 2013-12-28 20:00:36 UTC
Hi

I've been playing EVE for quite a few months now but I'm not sure where my career is heading. No matter what I do I either get bored very quickly or simply do not earn enough isk, I'm hoping some of you have suggestions what I can invest my future time in. What I have learned so far is that,

Mining makes me want to kill myself
Station trading makes me anxious
Missioning is not all that fun
Exploration is kinda fun (Data & relic sites)
PvP is fun, but I'm terrible at it (Mostly solo)

Besides this I haven't really tried much in the game. I understand there's an overwhelming amount of stuff to do but where to start is difficult for me. I'd like to add that I prefer playing solo and yes I do understand that this limits my horizons quite a bit.

Things I would like to try:

Wormholes - Not sure if I can live in one solo (maybe together with PI?). I also can't find a good starting guide on them.
Complexes - I can't find a good guide on them so I have refrained from doing them
More PvP

So, summa summarum, do you people have any ideas on what I should try? I'm open for pretty much anything.

Thanks
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-12-28 20:05:26 UTC
What can you do?

Oh god.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-28 20:20:03 UTC
Consider getting a real life job that pays more than minimum wage and just buy plex from CCP.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Kaiserin Schlacht
Where's Your Castle
#4 - 2013-12-28 20:26:22 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
What can you do?



I'm not sure how to properly respond to this

I suppose I can do most things if I find it entertaining enough?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2013-12-28 20:30:58 UTC
You can be my off grid booster if you want.

Oh god.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-12-28 20:52:27 UTC
Make friends.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-28 20:57:29 UTC
My advice is that if you're going to do pve content to make ISK, do so in space you can be shot at by other players. The ISK is better and it's far more interesting to make ISK in a situation where you have to be on the lookout for getting ganked.

Maybe try faction warfare. Most corps are pretty actively recruiting and you'll learn a lot about pvp fundamentals. Aside from a few terrible corps they're mostly fun people too
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-28 21:52:23 UTC
I'll convo you.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#9 - 2013-12-28 22:48:57 UTC
Yeah I was going to suggest combat plexing and DED's once I read to exploration. Just jump in and do it. You have probably seen many when exploring. Another alt to missioning is incursions if you can find a group and have some skills (maybe later?). pvp maybe go factions, though imo better with an alt due to negative faction standing hits, but low SP works. A lot of people wind up spending some time in RvB, though ewar and jita are off limits, so you'd need an alt to manage jita business (hauling and market skills).

Epic arc: sisters of eve (few other lvl4's later)
COSMOS missions
W-space takes some dedication, but always w-space corps looking for people (look in forums), combat pilots and industrialists etc.

—Ω—
Fal Dara
Vortex Command Corporation
#10 - 2013-12-28 22:49:12 UTC
Kaiserin Schlacht wrote:
Hi

No matter what I do I either get bored very quickly or simply do not earn enough isk, I'm hoping some of you have suggestions what I can invest my future time in. What I have learned so far is that,

Mining makes me want to kill myself
Station trading makes me anxious
Missioning is not all that fun
Exploration is kinda fun (Data & relic sites)
PvP is fun, but I'm terrible at it (Mostly solo)

prefer playing solo and yes I do understand that this limits my horizons quite a bit.

Things I would like to try:

Wormholes - Not sure if I can live in one solo (maybe together with PI?). I also can't find a good starting guide on them.
Complexes - I can't find a good guide on them so I have refrained from doing them
More PvP



Let me start....

Mining has the same effect on me, but i did it for a good few years (been here 9 or 10 now). It's good if you read a lot, or play while in class @ college... not usually as a eve-career.

Station trading is doing it wrong. You need to move those goods to higher-priced areas. Low sec even. If it makes you feel better, track it with a program/spreadsheet. not a lot of fun, but there's a lot mroe isk in it than in a station.

Missioning isnt fun because you have been here a few months. As some one iwht the skills to plow through them like a train, they're fun, they make isk, and they require about as much concetration as mining, but with 4 times the profit. Skill up, do them as a side-line to what ever it is you choose to do. They're great for when you only have an hour or so to do something, and dont feel like commiting to roams/hauling/math.

Exploration is killer, but you have to be fast--it's a competitive worksite, and people will find you, take your good loot before you can. you MUST play alpha-dog if you chose this route. There is VERY high isk potential here, even as a solo player. Many poeple use a t2 cruiser for this career... worth thinking about. (by high isk, it could be days of makin 20m, and in 5 hours make 3b ... not to be seen again for weeks).

PvP is only an option if you already have an alt that makes isk, or you make isk well with a career (i mean a RL one, not eve). It's something you do because you enjoy it, regardless of the costs (time and isk). Imho, it's 95% boring, 5% shake-inducing, not somehting i want to get used to.

Wormholes are not a solo endevor.
complexes (nullsec) not a solo endevor.
in short, for those 2, GET FRIENDS.

One thing i didnt see you list is industry.

This makes good isk, and with some skill training, is easy to do while you do something else. Avoid t1 ships and mods--as most of those are built by freetard miiners who believe their minerals are free (they could sell the minerals and make more isk, than they would building their ships). Focus on inventing popular items--t2 guns, afterbruners, tanking mods, etc--once you get the hang of the process, it makes enough isk to do what you want, without having to focus on it a lot (every 2-4 days you check in and re-start the jobs/haul supplies). NEVER build things without considering the COST of the supplies--if you cant make a profit by buying all the supplies off the market, DONT MAKE IT.

For about 5 years, i did so well with the combonation of industry and missions, that 3 years after i stopped, i'm still running off if the isk i made then... and have the freedom to pvp, or what ever.

You could also focus on something like incursions, if you have blocks of time to dedicate to EVE (3-6 hours). terriffic isk.

also,

make friends. (tbh, i have very few, and am mostly solo... eve is a chatterbox for me)
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-12-28 23:03:45 UTC
I to have similar problems. I never quite grasped playing the market, PI and even missions.
But last night I finaly figured out how the siphon worked. For now I can haul out 4 mill an hour. Im sure I can start earning more as I get a system down. But has turned out to be a fun way to make isk
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#12 - 2013-12-28 23:14:16 UTC
Look into RvB (pvp) and EvE-Uni (all the above)

Those would be two good corps to help refine your career path.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#13 - 2013-12-28 23:15:40 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Make friends.

This really should be EVE Rule #1.

When you have people to do things with, you're always doing things... with people. You said you found PvP fun, so go find yourself a fun atmosphere to do that in, you know... with friends! RvB would be a choice place I suppose. Baptism by fire and all that. And if you get good, you can join one of these, you know, "PvP corps" who do disciplined "PvP things".

Alternatively, you could join Es and Whizz. I hear zipping around slinging dope can be extremely rewarding.
Gabriel Rova
Distant Light Syndicate
#14 - 2013-12-28 23:33:07 UTC
Welcome to Eve Online. I have been playing for years and have been in the same rut as you are now.... Many many times.

I think you will always be at the point where the grass is greener somewhere else. I go thru stages with this game. Currently, I do not have the time in real life to dedicate to being a member of a corporation, so I have my main and alts in my own corp and playing solo, which I'm already getting bored of.... I miss having mates to fly with.

BUT... Here's what I am doing:

My alts have some PI CHAINS going to help make some passive ISk. With my main, I run missions , salvage all the loot and refine almost everything I collect into minerals which I use to manufacture a few select items. I also do a bit of exploration and I'm now getting a bit deeper into research and manufacturing.

I want to eventually get back into a corp or perhaps find an Alliance for my single player corp to join so I have some mates to fly with on occasion for some PVP.

Try it all out. There really is a lot you can do but all of it can get boring eventually.

One tip that I received when I first joined, that I wish I followed... When training your character, stick to your race. Master it . Master your skills for your racial qualities... Don't try to fly everything because then you will be good at nothing.

Be well!
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#15 - 2013-12-29 00:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
You are only 'bad at PVP' because you don't have experience. A couple of months is nothing with the sheer diversity of combat ships in Eve! Two years down the line I still hear ship names that make me blink twice... was that an Amarr frigate? Oh shoot no, It's the Amarr Interdictor and now I an webbed and scramed and oh look I am in hull - splat- ! Lol

Eve is a PVP game it's core. That aspect is better to be enjoyed then to be ignored.

You know why you don't enjoy PVE? Because you are doing it in some public toilet called hisec with which you have no connection. I like PVE sometimes because I can do it semi-safely among corpies in lowsec in our 'turf' or head out to other corps hangouts and rat 'their' belts or claim their exploration sites... forcing them to go elsewhere, causing movement, rippling the waters of lowsec. Exploration competition is different, one day you are claiming valuable faction loot undisturbed, the next day you have to chase off or kill competitors.

Make friends = best advice ever. Make friends and learn neat tricks from them, and most importantly: try out things for yourself. Eve is a sandbox so experiment. To many people are afraid about losing face, and missing out on a lot of fun. I often do things people would absolutely not recommend just because its fun to prove them wrong in the back of your head.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#16 - 2013-12-29 00:14:54 UTC
I've been in this "flux" for a few years now...

You get used to it...

...
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#17 - 2013-12-29 00:40:34 UTC
Find people you enjoy talking to in the evening on TS

Do stuff that requires one sort of coordination or another together. It doesn't matter as much if that is mining or sov wars or custom house deployment or pirating or group mining ventures or incurssions although those do say a bit about personality types.

Do other nerd out stuff in your spare time to the extent you enjoy it . The days it is fun you'll do more of it, those less or when people are on you'll focus on the group stuff.


Finding people with your own general sense of humor/temperament is pretty vital
- Do you like nude pics -sometimes-never-often (and whether they're pg -13 or ma is also important...
- do you want to hear about RL politics or want that banned... would you mind a bunch of rednecks huffing and puffing about the dismal state of "things" or a bunch of tree huggers worried about global warming and bringing to TS.
-Do you want to hear lockerroom conversation about their date or can you stand cute stories about their kids.
- do you want to be sure all coms are 100% game orrientated with all other stuff relagated to separate rooms

How hard core a gamer are you.
-.. most of us want people immersed enough to care about outcomes of events , but not all.
- Some don't want to be called on the loss of a ship.
- Some expect everyone to operate at top form always and have little tolerance for lack of "pro" aptitude with overheating etc.

People closer in age helps (more like tiers ... in school with periodic vacation vs full time jobs vs married with children on the age level . That talks to game commitment expectations and time zones of activity (time zones a topic of their own too)


SO -- I'd pick the people I'd be with more than the activity if you really want to get connected to the game long term - even if you're not a very social person there is so much to learn and so many more interesting ways of engaging with the game doing things with others that a very limited but regular association with the same people takes the game up a few leaps.

.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2013-12-29 01:40:03 UTC
Continue with PvP until you no longer suck at it. There you go, you now have an achievable goal.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#19 - 2013-12-29 02:45:37 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Make friends.








Or get more alts.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#20 - 2013-12-29 03:28:33 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
My advice is that if you're going to do pve content to make ISK, do so in space you can be shot at by other players. The ISK is better and it's far more interesting to make ISK in a situation where you have to be on the lookout for getting ganked.

Maybe try faction warfare. Most corps are pretty actively recruiting and you'll learn a lot about pvp fundamentals. Aside from a few terrible corps they're mostly fun people too


this pretty much. I'm a trader/explorer. I try to do most of my exploring in ls, and I made a corp just so people could war dec me in high and make trading more interesting. Although my play times are too erratic, so no one has bothered with the war dec part yet. I'm seriously considering going FW and trying to continue trading in opposing faction space, via contracts and remote orders.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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