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Raven vs Maelstrom
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Cheeswrinkle Ongrard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-12-28 02:58:23 UTC
Doing some Sansha Ratting and curious as to your opinion on using the Raven or the Maelstrom for this.
Which do you like more or think is better and why?
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#2 - 2013-12-28 05:36:45 UTC
I'd choose the raven for it's ability to do pure em damage.

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Cheeswrinkle Ongrard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-12-28 05:43:23 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
I'd choose the raven for it's ability to do pure em damage.


wouldn't EMP L ammo be the same?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-28 06:02:34 UTC
Cheeswrinkle Ongrard wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
I'd choose the raven for it's ability to do pure em damage.


wouldn't EMP L ammo be the same?


Actually, only about 75% of EMP projectile rounds' damage is EM - the rest is a mix of kinetic and explosive. Just about all projectile rounds do a mix of different damage types. Missiles and drones are the only weapon systems to do all their damage in a single type.

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Cheeswrinkle Ongrard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-28 06:12:43 UTC
Good to know...This is the type of stuff im looking for keep it up.

thank you
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#6 - 2013-12-28 08:26:44 UTC
Cheeswrinkle Ongrard wrote:
Doing some Sansha Ratting and curious as to your opinion on using the Raven or the Maelstrom for this.
Which do you like more or think is better and why?

Sansha have tracking disruption as their primary e-war, so Raven being unaffected by TDs has an advantage.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2013-12-28 09:21:07 UTC
[Raven, Sansha Anom]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

100MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Booster II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Target Painter II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Warp in @100 and kite. SeBos allow you to engage consecutive waves ~250km. I've used Kinetic hardeners as I believe Sansha cruise missiles do Kinetic damage but I'm not sure, experiment with that.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#8 - 2013-12-28 09:27:48 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:

Warp in @100 and kite. SeBos allow you to engage consecutive waves ~250km. I've used Kinetic hardeners as I believe Sansha cruise missiles do Kinetic damage but I'm not sure, experiment with that.


I think it is only in incursions they do Kin/expl damage. The normal rats do EM/Therm

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Cheeswrinkle Ongrard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-12-28 09:33:24 UTC
From what im reading here the Raven is the clear choice.
Sid Crash
#10 - 2013-12-28 09:45:05 UTC
Normal Sansha are indeed pure EM/thermal and what was stated about projectile damage types is spot on, coupled with the fact that Sansha tracking disrupt means that Missile ships (or drone ships for that matter) are vastly superior in this situation.

If you're ratting in 0.0 then I'd fit cruise so you can stay out of the belt a bit (safer), MWD and cloak to have a chance to make it through light gate camps and cloak up if you have to go afk for whatever reason, simple EM/thermal tank, lots of BCS and perhaps some signal amps to increase locking speed.

Having said that, the best Raven is actually a Typhoon. Typhoon trades a missile range bonus you don't need for a missile explosion velocity bonus that helps you apply your dps better, it's also better suited for armour tanking which makes more sense when you have to tank EM/thermal AND it's faster which is always good.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#11 - 2013-12-28 11:55:12 UTC
Cheeswrinkle Ongrard wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
I'd choose the raven for it's ability to do pure em damage.


wouldn't EMP L ammo be the same?

even if it was, raven would still be better
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#12 - 2013-12-28 13:50:39 UTC
The Mael has a slight DPS advantage IIRC but with the Raven's higher EM percentage it will yield a little more damage overall (cruise vs 1400)... I would offer a third option however, sacrificing range for damage would push the Mael ahead but an AC fit isn't very practical for the purpose but the Apocolypse can provide a very practical range with Mega Pulse and Scorch (which still presents a very good damage profile) and more effective damage application on the frigates and cruisers - its DPs is lower (IIRC), particularly as the Raven has more free lowslots, but I seem to recall a reasonably high proportion of smaller ships in anoms...
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2013-12-28 16:08:17 UTC
I would prefer the raven for havens and sanctums given similar skills in each ship, primarily because the raven can be at range and fit way less tank, while still getting good dps with fury cruise. Maelstrom has to be up close to do decent damage, and it therefore takes a lot more damage. This also means the raven can sit and make use of a mobile depot easier. And also you don't have to be anywhere near the warp-in beacon of the anomaly which might save your life.

I would prefer the mael for lower-tier anomalies and belt ratting.

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Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#14 - 2013-12-28 23:31:01 UTC
A better question would be Raven or Typhoon.

They both have the same number of launchers and damage bonus, so it's a wash on DPS. The secondary bonus where things really differ. While the Raven's is useless unless you want to fire from 150 KM plus, the Phoon's actually helps your actual damage application significantly. It also allows more flexibility with rigs.

Other highlights include the fact that the Phoon can run 4 sentries so it's DPS, both applied and on paper, are better than the Raven's. Phoon is also very capable as either an armor or shield fit which, along with completely customization damage type, makes it one of very few ships that is capable or facing basically every NPC faction.

Icing on the cake... Phoon is a cheeper hull, and is faster/more agile than the raven.

If you have both already have Minmi and Cal skills, the Typhoon is explicitly superior to the Raven. If you wan't to move up a step and include Navy/Pirate ships... that changes the discussion quite a bit. RNI/SNI/Rattler are some nasty birds.... and the Golem is god if you can fly it.