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Starting out PVP

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Ellie Sertan
Big Red Sun Inc.
#1 - 2013-12-19 15:35:15 UTC
Me and a friend have plans to go in low-sec. This will be my first time PVPing and I want to know if anyone has any tips or anything that I should read up on?

I really don't want to say what I'll be flying. ( Just in case Blink )

But I'd really like some help If I could get some on starting out on my first PVP encounter.
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-19 15:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron' Soontir Fel
I highly recommend joining a FW group. You'll be able to get money while fighting, won't lose as much sec status, cheaper logistics, fleets, and will have a large playerbase of more experienced players whom you can ask for help.



A lot of the new FW groups have no strings attached as well. So you can join and there's no need to do things you don't want to do, such as POS/IHUB bashing or things like that.
Ellie Sertan
Big Red Sun Inc.
#3 - 2013-12-19 15:39:51 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
I highly recommend joining a FW group. You'll be able to get money while fighting, won't lose as much sec status, cheaper logistics, fleets, and will have a large playerbase of more experienced players whom you can ask for help.



A lot of the new FW groups have no strings attached as well. So you can join and there's no need to do things you don't want to do, such as POS/IHUB bashing or things like that.


Does that also make for a higher chance that I won't be podded? :o
Ellie Sertan
Big Red Sun Inc.
#4 - 2013-12-19 15:50:13 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
A lot of the new FW groups have no strings attached as well. So you can join and there's no need to do things you don't want to do, such as POS/IHUB bashing or things like that.


Ah! Ok.
Cheeswrinkle Ongrard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-19 16:04:26 UTC
Make sure you are ok with losing ships. First time pvping you will prolly lose 10-15 ships before you get a kill.
Dan Carter Murray
#6 - 2013-12-19 16:08:58 UTC
Ellie Sertan wrote:
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
I highly recommend joining a FW group. You'll be able to get money while fighting, won't lose as much sec status, cheaper logistics, fleets, and will have a large playerbase of more experienced players whom you can ask for help.



A lot of the new FW groups have no strings attached as well. So you can join and there's no need to do things you don't want to do, such as POS/IHUB bashing or things like that.


Does that also make for a higher chance that I won't be podded? :o


you can lose your pod anywhere, highsec included.
just start aligning if you have an impending ship destruction and spam warp.
that will normally save your pod unless your internet fails, pc freezes, etc.

http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#7 - 2013-12-20 00:06:51 UTC
Meh, FW is overrated. Piracy is where it's at!

Think about it. Four factions you can kill with impunity, that's TWICE the targets! Pirate
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#8 - 2013-12-20 00:35:15 UTC
Ellie Sertan wrote:
Me and a friend have plans to go in low-sec. This will be my first time PVPing and I want to know if anyone has any tips or anything that I should read up on?

I really don't want to say what I'll be flying. ( Just in case Blink )

But I'd really like some help If I could get some on starting out on my first PVP encounter.



If you are flying something so cool/valuable to you that you cant say then you really don't want to start pvp in it.


You only need a Merlin/Tristan/Condor/Incursis or similar cheap frigate to get started.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#9 - 2013-12-20 00:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Meh, FW is overrated. Piracy is where it's at!

Think about it. Four factions you can kill with impunity, that's TWICE the targets! Pirate


In theory that's true. But many pirate corps don't get anywhere the number of pvp activity that FW yields. Not saying that FW is better than piracy but just pointing out the flawed logic.


Quote:
Does that also make for a higher chance that I won't be podded? :o


If you know how to not get podded, you'll be fine. I recently had a guy join corp (was in hisec most of his life) and his first loss was his frigate and 500m isk pod. He hasn't logged back on since that incident Ugh Saw it coming though

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Alcorak
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-20 01:02:32 UTC
A few basics:

1) keep an updated clone
2) platinum insure your ships
3) if you're going to die, spam warp - no bubbles means you shouldn't lose your pod in low or highsec if you're quick
4) dont hull tank
5) dont tank both shield and armor
6) fit a tackle (warp disruptor/scram and a web)
7) fit a prop mod (MWD or AB)
8) If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it.
9) Turn the safety off.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#11 - 2013-12-20 02:37:33 UTC
Ellie Sertan wrote:
my first PVP encounter

I could give you some basic, general advice, but how about something more specific than that?

You will more than likely experience something called "combat lockup". Basically, the first few times you're in a PvP situation, you will panic. You will forget to activate an important module, or fail to properly set your distances, or miss an opportunity to light up the correct target. Do not blame yourself for this. It is entirely natural.

Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would probably say this only happens to bad or inexperienced players, and in this regard they are partly correct. When you first start PvPing in EVE, you will be both bad and inexperienced. Do not let this bother you. Baptism by fire is one of the most effective ways to get past this.

In time, if you really enjoy the rush of PvP, you will end up reading more, watching more, and just generally being more interested in understanding how to PvP effectively.

So there. That's some practical advice for you. Just enjoy the encounter, and die honorably. Go in there expecting to die... wanting to die... and you will have grown by leaps and bounds before you even start.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#12 - 2013-12-20 03:04:18 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Ellie Sertan wrote:
my first PVP encounter

I could give you some basic, general advice, but how about something more specific than that?

You will more than likely experience something called "combat lockup". Basically, the first few times you're in a PvP situation, you will panic. You will forget to activate an important module, or fail to properly set your distances, or miss an opportunity to light up the correct target. Do not blame yourself for this. It is entirely natural.

Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would probably say this only happens to bad or inexperienced players, and in this regard they are partly correct. When you first start PvPing in EVE, you will be both bad and inexperienced. Do not let this bother you. Baptism by fire is one of the most effective ways to get past this.

In time, if you really enjoy the rush of PvP, you will end up reading more, watching more, and just generally being more interested in understanding how to PvP effectively.

So there. That's some practical advice for you. Just enjoy the encounter, and die honorably. Go in there expecting to die... wanting to die... and you will have grown by leaps and bounds before you even start.


This is good advise.

I think everyone has experienced this 'combat lockup' at one time or another.


Why did you post decent stuff with a derp alt???




Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-20 03:34:55 UTC
The only time I've lost a pod in low-sec is because I went afk in space and alt-tabbed.

There have been people who have been smartbombed, but they are in the same places all the time and everybody knows where they operate.



Also, I want to reiterate Deen's point. Pirates may have more targets, but they have a lot less actual fights. You also don't get the benefit of the entire militia as a knowledge base, and for income to fund your PvP.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#14 - 2013-12-20 03:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical 101
IbanezLaney wrote:
Why did you post decent stuff with a derp alt???

Christ. See, this is what EVE does to people.

There is no such thing as plausibility, only ritual mistrust and a firm devotion to the forum status quo.

I am a main, sir.

Yeah. That's right. Laugh it up, smartass!

Jokes aside, I just happened to be returning to the game at the same time as our new friend, the OP.

Fresh new toon. Forum fun while untagged. You know, that old chestnut.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-12-20 08:05:29 UTC
Its christmas

So go flashy red and never go back.

Being high sec capable is HIGHLY overrated.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2013-12-20 13:48:55 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Ellie Sertan wrote:
Me and a friend have plans to go in low-sec. This will be my first time PVPing and I want to know if anyone has any tips or anything that I should read up on?

I really don't want to say what I'll be flying. ( Just in case Blink )

But I'd really like some help If I could get some on starting out on my first PVP encounter.



If you are flying something so cool/valuable to you that you cant say then you really don't want to start pvp in it.


You only need a Merlin/Tristan/Condor/Incursis or similar cheap frigate to get started.


Dual-Rep Incursus is a great starter ship... forgiving [sorta], cheap and fun... you can't really ask for much more in my opinion.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#17 - 2013-12-20 15:00:40 UTC
People really tend to underestimate the Rifter now that it is no longer king-of-the-hill in frigate pew pew.

That also means people are very willing to engage one... allowing you to use it's somewhat diminished reputation to bait people into agression... and then kill them with some help of your other Rifter friends! The truth is that the Rifter may no longer be the most popular frigate, the others have been pretty much been brought onto it's level.... but people tend to think it has been nerfed into the ground. It really hasn't.

The latest fad in my corp is to interdict FW systems, and for some reason the often-underestimated Rifter seems to gain in popularity among people attending these fleets. FOTM = armor tanked arty-Rifter (Wolfcub) and to be honest... it's actually really fun to fly, and quite effective when supported by some EWAR and short-ranged tackle frigates.
Etain Griffin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-12-20 17:13:39 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
People really tend to underestimate the Rifter now that it is no longer king-of-the-hill in frigate pew pew.

That also means people are very willing to engage one... allowing you to use it's somewhat diminished reputation to bait people into agression... and then kill them with some help of your other Rifter friends! The truth is that the Rifter may no longer be the most popular frigate, the others have been pretty much been brought onto it's level.... but people tend to think it has been nerfed into the ground. It really hasn't.

The latest fad in my corp is to interdict FW systems, and for some reason the often-underestimated Rifter seems to gain in popularity among people attending these fleets. FOTM = armor tanked arty-Rifter (Wolfcub) and to be honest... it's actually really fun to fly, and quite effective when supported by some EWAR and short-ranged tackle frigates.

"armor tanked arty-Rifter"
im in the process of fitting like 50 of thiese, t1 for the purpose of de-carebaring myself and lerning to peeeeeeeeevpeeeeeeeeeeee.
would you mind posting a fit?
Ellie Sertan
Big Red Sun Inc.
#19 - 2013-12-28 08:29:23 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Ellie Sertan wrote:
my first PVP encounter

I could give you some basic, general advice, but how about something more specific than that?

You will more than likely experience something called "combat lockup". Basically, the first few times you're in a PvP situation, you will panic. You will forget to activate an important module, or fail to properly set your distances, or miss an opportunity to light up the correct target. Do not blame yourself for this. It is entirely natural.

Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would probably say this only happens to bad or inexperienced players, and in this regard they are partly correct. When you first start PvPing in EVE, you will be both bad and inexperienced. Do not let this bother you. Baptism by fire is one of the most effective ways to get past this.

In time, if you really enjoy the rush of PvP, you will end up reading more, watching more, and just generally being more interested in understanding how to PvP effectively.

So there. That's some practical advice for you. Just enjoy the encounter, and die honorably. Go in there expecting to die... wanting to die... and you will have grown by leaps and bounds before you even start.



This is really good advice, since I normally get nervous seeing other players just in 0.4

But yeah, I may actually fly out a frig soon and have a whack at it.
YoYoMommy
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2013-12-28 23:54:04 UTC
As other have said joining a FW corp will be the best thing you do if you are wanting to get into lowsec PVP! My corp is recruiting if you are interested.
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