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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#321 - 2013-12-27 09:35:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Because the ability to coordinate warps is equatable to having a single person wield an entire fleet's alpha perfectly negating any error from differences in human interaction among them, not to mention bypassing their scan resolution and lock range entirely.


Warp speed is negated in a fleet warp, scanres is negated in drone assist.
The whole fleet initiate warp and hit grid at the same time, the whole fleet's alpha hits the target at the same time with drone assist.

The difference is navigation vs weaponry, its the same concept.

The problem is that, with fleet warp you go with the speed of slowest ship, but when it comes to assists, you use fastest locking speed (unless you're terrible).

Besides, achieving synch in warp with different ships is impossible because you can't choose to warp slower than at max speed unless you use fleet warp, while drone assists just facilitate something everyone can do already... Except that it ignores EWar and allows you to use someone else's stats instead of ones of your ships (which are set for a reason).

You might use a slower ship, as long as it is the one that cannot be damped (can use a local sensor boost, of course) or jammed because it is ecm immune.

Note that these drone assist ships cannot actually lock the targets their drones are. Like the dominix locking to, let me check...

Dominix has drones shooting to 200 km, but the ship itself could never target that far, I'm looking at a 87.5km targeting range on one of these fits. Not bad, since most turret sniper fits need to actually be able to lock their target. Instead, just need one seboed ship. And apparently titans lock to 250km anyway. An aeon without any sensor boosters, er I see 182km, so one sebo, ecm immune ship will take care of all your targeting needs for 200 battleships.

Drone assist is balanced.

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blabla4711
Doomheim
#322 - 2013-12-27 10:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: blabla4711
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

- The Mittani does have a job in real life. It involves running a very popular gaming news website.


antic ..... exactly noone outside of your gooniverse even knows about this sorry excuse of " a very popular gaming news website".

There are cheap blogs about collecting stamps on the south pole who get more attention ..... You call that a job? Funny.

Youve just proven the post you tried to counter. Lol
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#323 - 2013-12-27 11:03:06 UTC
blabla4711 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

- The Mittani does have a job in real life. It involves running a very popular gaming news website.


antic ..... exactly noone outside of your gooniverse even knows about this sorry excuse of " a very popular gaming news website".

There are cheap blogs about collecting stamps on the south pole who get more attention ..... You call that a job? Funny.

Youve just proven the post you tried to counter. Lol


He got press passes given for E3.
blabla4711
Doomheim
#324 - 2013-12-27 11:06:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

He got press passes given for E3.


And that is a prove to ... exactly what? Right. Nothing.

Outside in the real world ... you know ... where Pizzas come from ... you get press passes for eating your meal without any accident for 2 weeks.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#325 - 2013-12-27 11:07:58 UTC
blabla4711 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

- The Mittani does have a job in real life. It involves running a very popular gaming news website.


antic ..... exactly noone outside of your gooniverse even knows about this sorry excuse of " a very popular gaming news website".

There are cheap blogs about collecting stamps on the south pole who get more attention ..... You call that a job? Funny.

Youve just proven the post you tried to counter. Lol

What are you trying to say with this post? I seriously doubt you actually believe it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#326 - 2013-12-27 11:26:54 UTC
blabla4711 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

He got press passes given for E3.


And that is a prove to ... exactly what? Right. Nothing.

Outside in the real world ... you know ... where Pizzas come from ... you get press passes for eating your meal without any accident for 2 weeks.

BBC, CNN, and Faux news list TheMittani under other news sites.

So feel free about getting a press pass to the next E3 in the real pizza world.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#327 - 2013-12-27 13:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Alavaria Fera wrote:
they are trying to bait our intelligent supercap FCs into a moronic welp


Pretty sure we are all more than comfortable with the current payment of 45-50 dreads weekly and an almost regularly scheduled thrice weekly dictor holocaust.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#328 - 2013-12-27 13:25:03 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
they are trying to bait our intelligent supercap FCs into a moronic welp


Pretty sure we are all more than comfortable with the current payment of 45-50 dreads weekly and an almost regularly scheduled thrice weekly dictor holocaust.


Welcome to capitals online, please enter the meatgrinder in an orderly line.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#329 - 2013-12-27 13:31:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Welcome to capitals online, please enter the meatgrinder in an orderly line.


I find myself on the Grinder side of this whole ordeal, not so much the Grindee (I have a stable internet connection, so I'm sadly never in any real danger :toot:)
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#330 - 2013-12-27 16:22:28 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
they are trying to bait our intelligent supercap FCs into a moronic welp


Pretty sure we are all more than comfortable with the current payment of 45-50 dreads weekly and an almost regularly scheduled thrice weekly dictor holocaust.


Staying true to your "accurate" kugu-persona I see..
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2013-12-27 17:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
i mean, this is the first war goons will have that isnt them shitting on their own pets and renters in a long ass time

We don't have pets, and this is the first time we've had renters.

eh, pretty much everyone in the CFC besides goons is a second-class citizen, which makes them renters, their isk just goes to buying pre-made body bags for the meat grinders instead of directly into the alliance wallet

Only people outside of the CFC buy this little story people keep trying to spin.

When I was in RAZOR it certainly wasn't true.

when my friend was in goons a couple eyars back, he mentioend alot about the meatshield "pets" the FC's alwasy threw at the bus first.

maybe its chnaged in the last year and a half, dunno.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#332 - 2013-12-27 18:07:25 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
they are trying to bait our intelligent supercap FCs into a moronic welp


Pretty sure we are all more than comfortable with the current payment of 45-50 dreads weekly and an almost regularly scheduled thrice weekly dictor holocaust.


Staying true to your "accurate" kugu-persona I see..


Staying true to your puppet master I see?

Coining a new abbreviation:

JAFMA

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#333 - 2013-12-27 18:38:44 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

None of this has anything to do with what I said.

...

All I was saying is that he was taking the political bullshit and bantering too seriously.
...

Seriously, that was a gigantic waste of words there Katrina.


Fair enough, but let's be honest... every post in GD is a waste of words. :D

Quote:
Also... what?
- The Mittani does have a job in real life. It involves running a very popular gaming news website.


No offense, but that's not a job. It may be an income, or even a business, but it's not a 'job'.

Quote:
- Citation needed on these people all putting in 60+ hours a week.
- Citation needed on them all not having jobs in real life.


I have no citations. It was taken off the grapevine. If it's not true, well, alright then. I'd be willing to wager it is true for some, though I'd have no proof.

Quote:
- Who needs to spend thousands on flights when the players elect you to CSM and CCP pays to send you to Iceland on their own dime?


I did not know CCP pays for those flights. My mistake.

Quote:
- Other alliances have intelligence networks, logistics teams, etc.


Yes, and even for a small alliance it's a horrible soul and time sucking job. How CFC or even just GSF manages to do it, I can't even fathom it. This is mostly the reason I believe the 60+ hours claim, because that's what I figure it would take to get the job done.

Anyways. I mean no offense with these words. I misunderstood your point, and you can blame spiked eggnog for the wall of text that followed.

I concede the floor to you, good sir.

Katrina Oniseki
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#334 - 2013-12-27 19:53:56 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Ivanna Logoffski wrote:
Capitals were never meant to stomp the crap out of subcaps.


Says who?

Were you on the original design team for capitals? Can you maybe share some of the original design notes for capitals?

Do you also believe that frigates should be untouchable by Battleships and Battlecruisers?

Do you think it would be ok that since in your 'ideal' world caps can hurt subcaps that the reverse would be true as well in that subcaps can't hurt caps and you need caps to fight caps?


Do you live in an imaginary world where all of the nerfs to supers never happened? Titans and motherships as well as dreadnaughts all ate large nerfs in the last few years specifically to their ability to engage subcaps. Carriers were saved from losing their non-fighter drones specifically because they were supposedly still weak enough to be engaged by subcaps, something which is obviously no longer true.

So one would think you'd be a bit more cautious about openly crowing how your carrier fleet is immune to all subcaps.

Yeah. Currently a carrier with sentries (garde II's especially) can insta blap any ship - including interceptors (smallest ship in EvE) better than any subcap.

The Ishtar and Domi have tracking bonus (25%) but that doesn't make up for the additional 10 sentries that can be fielded by a carrier.

In addition the Ishtar can fit 2 flights of sentries, the Dominix a little more but carriers? hundreds of flights of sentries lol.

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#335 - 2013-12-27 20:06:59 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah. Currently a carrier with sentries (garde II's especially) can insta blap any ship - including interceptors (smallest ship in EvE) better than any subcap.


This is why the archon is the new drake and the sentry drone is its HML. Even better than the drake because of the exponentially higher EHP, the thing can do logistics at the same time. Its like- why would you ever need to fly another ship ever again? Just train a perfect archon and you're set for 0.0 warfare.

Fleet comp of the future guys right here. I guess thats why the amarr carrier skill book appeared on my spreadsheet of fast movers, big margins and high isk volume Smile
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#336 - 2013-12-27 22:19:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Let's face it.

Carriers need to be rebalanced anyway, and so do dreads, supers, and titans.
When pretty much every alliance (except TEST because they're special) tells their members to train Archons to the exclusion of all other carriers, that's a pretty surefire sign of an imbalance.




And a SOV revamp in a pear tree. ♫

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#337 - 2013-12-27 23:04:52 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah. Currently a carrier with sentries (garde II's especially) can insta blap any ship - including interceptors (smallest ship in EvE) better than any subcap.


This is why the archon is the new drake and the sentry drone is its HML. Even better than the drake because of the exponentially higher EHP, the thing can do logistics at the same time. Its like- why would you ever need to fly another ship ever again? Just train a perfect archon and you're set for 0.0 warfare.

Fleet comp of the future guys right here. I guess thats why the amarr carrier skill book appeared on my spreadsheet of fast movers, big margins and high isk volume Smile

Have you trained into an Archon?

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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#338 - 2013-12-28 07:50:17 UTC
What exactly is needed for CCP to respond with a relevant comment?
Goat sacrifices?
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#339 - 2013-12-28 08:15:34 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
What exactly is needed for CCP to respond with a relevant comment?
Goat sacrifices?



They do not answer to balance threads until they have a proposition in mind and discussed with the CSM.

Tiercide is reachign recons and pirate ships, then will be the time of t3 and then finnaly CApitals.


Do not expect any change before next chirstmas.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Ivanna Logoffski
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#340 - 2013-12-28 18:05:30 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
What exactly is needed for CCP to respond with a relevant comment?
Goat sacrifices?



They do not answer to balance threads until they have a proposition in mind and discussed with the CSM.

Tiercide is reachign recons and pirate ships, then will be the time of t3 and then finnaly CApitals.


Do not expect any change before next chirstmas.


Since carriers are far more damaging to the game in their current state then T3's will ever be, I would be surprised if they don't deal with the caps before T3.