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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#101 - 2013-12-27 17:07:14 UTC
Tabra Penken wrote:

Prior to the 1300's there was no such thing as a "bible" so there was never a time that the "bible" wasn't translated, printed, and edited.


Yup no Latin translation of Hebrew texts was in use by the Byzantine Empire, confirmed

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Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-12-27 17:43:31 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tabra Penken wrote:

Prior to the 1300's there was no such thing as a "bible" so there was never a time that the "bible" wasn't translated, printed, and edited.


Yup no Latin translation of Hebrew texts was in use by the Byzantine Empire, confirmed
Wow! The odds of getting to write down my favorite bible quote a second time on the very same day! ...

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-12-27 18:17:04 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"

Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.

How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.


For the sake of argument,
2 au/s is 299 195 741 km / s
Speed of light: 299 792 458 m / s

So 2 AU/s and slower isn't even superluminal speeds.

All things considering, flying around a solar system after than light doesn't make a hole lot of sense in real life. It would waste a crazy amount of energy just a save a few minutes.

That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships.
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#104 - 2013-12-27 19:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Centis Adjani
Paul Panala wrote:
That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships.

This ^^^ only one can say who don't fly a BattleShip - or fly it very rare.
Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again.
Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.

That decrease of the WS of BS is the biggest BS CCP had made in the last three years.
That smaller ships enter warp very fast and BS/Freighters/aso. enter it very slow is quite enough nerf.
But the additional nerf to reduce the warp speed of bigger ships by 30% or more (BS were reduced from 3 AU/s to 2AU/s in Rubicon) is a pain in the ass for ppl which fly preferred BS in level 4 missions.

Forum topics about this already exist here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283132
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=303983
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#105 - 2013-12-27 19:45:53 UTC
Centis Adjani wrote:

Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again.
Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.


LRN2TACTICS

Gawd, is "Warp Squad to 0" the only Fleet Command you know how to do?

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Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#106 - 2013-12-27 19:48:23 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.

I would have thought that watching Spaceballs and clicking on gates would be the very definition of immersion.

You're simultaneously watching a space parody and playing one. You're practically balls deep.
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#107 - 2013-12-27 19:55:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Centis Adjani wrote:

Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again.
Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.


LRN2TACTICS

Gawd, is "Warp Squad to 0" the only Fleet Command you know how to do?

Available fleet warp commands are no reason to increase boredom for Players by reducing the warp speed without any reason.
And this slow boating with bigger ships now in Rubicon is pure boredom.
For me, computer games should make fun and should not bore me to death.
We lived for years now with the pre Rubicon warp speeds and no one was angry about that.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-12-27 20:07:59 UTC
Centis Adjani wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Centis Adjani wrote:

Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again.
Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.


LRN2TACTICS

Gawd, is "Warp Squad to 0" the only Fleet Command you know how to do?

Available fleet warp commands are no reason to increase boredom for Players by reducing the warp speed without any reason.
And this slow boating with bigger ships now in Rubicon is pure boredom.
For me, computer games should make fun and should not bore me to death.
We lived for years now with the pre Rubicon warp speeds and no one was angry about that.

Maybe if you stopped expecting your battleship to be a do-it-all wonder, you would start trying out other ships.

Interceptors and frigates are SUPER fun now.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2013-12-27 20:12:51 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Cyndrogen wrote:
"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"

Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.

How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.


For the sake of argument,
2 au/s is 299 195 741 km / s
Speed of light: 299 792 458 m / s

So 2 AU/s and slower isn't even superluminal speeds.

All things considering, flying around a solar system after than light doesn't make a hole lot of sense in real life. It would waste a crazy amount of energy just a save a few minutes.

That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships.

Uh you might want to check your numbers
For reference an AU is the distance from Earth to Sol and takes light 8 minutes to transit.
Doing that twice a second means you are at 960x light speed.
IE OMFGMS fast.
And we can still go faster.
Hell I think we could timetravel if we turned off the temporal correction device we have
Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
#110 - 2013-12-27 20:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jax Zaden
So some math:

1 AU is ~149 billion meters

The speed of light is 299 M meters per second

So it takes light ~8.3 minutes (499 seconds) to go 1 AU

The new Leopard goes 20 AU / second so the Leopard is going almost 10,000 times the speed of light as it is.

A parsec is basically a distance of ~3.3 light years. So if a ship were to go 1 parsec / second, that would 206k AU / sec or 102 thousands times the speed of light.

While Eve completely ***** on the theory of relativity, an object moving at light speed approaches an infinite mass and so would the energy required to move it. Warp speed isn't really a speed, it's a bending of space/time so that the current point and the destination point exist at the same point (or in this case connected by a warp tunnel). So really speed is irrelevant but more so how much space can be bent thus how long the tunnel between the two points is.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#111 - 2013-12-27 20:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you travel 1 pc per second you can get from Tenal to Paragon Soul (northernmost to southernmost points in the map, roughly) in about 32 seconds.


I say CCP should go for it. Think about it: go AFK for a minute while warping, and you catapult yourself out of the New Eden cluster into no-mans land. Then you have to carefully plot your way back or you'r stuck. (Or you could commit suicide, I guess.) Big smile
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-12-27 20:49:46 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Cyndrogen wrote:
"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"

Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.

How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.


For the sake of argument,
2 au/s is 299 195 741 km / s
Speed of light: 299 792 458 m / s

So 2 AU/s and slower isn't even superluminal speeds.

All things considering, flying around a solar system after than light doesn't make a hole lot of sense in real life. It would waste a crazy amount of energy just a save a few minutes.

That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships.

You wrote km/s and then m/s. Which means your first number is about a thousand times faster.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-12-27 20:53:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
loco coco wrote:
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20AU per second is 2000 times the speed of light.

Why do you keep saying this? Did you do the math wrong or is this just a number you pulled out of your ass? Because you're off by about a factor of 5. 20 AU/s is closer to 10,000 c.

You're right. I'm not sure how I got 2000 the first time.

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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#114 - 2013-12-27 20:58:27 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Maybe if you stopped expecting your battleship to be a do-it-all wonder, you would start trying out other ships.

Interceptors and frigates are SUPER fun now.
I use a lot of different ships. And yes, frigates are a lot fun now. Industrials too. This was a step in the right direction. But the new warp speed of BS, freighters and the Orca is a mess. CCP should overlook this. Best would be they tried these ships self for a week or more to see how bad this change is (I feel with the freighter pilots).
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2013-12-27 21:22:27 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
You should go get Gandalf, maybe he can teleport you.


Dont get Gandalf, he will make you walk the whole goddamn way while he catches a piggyback ride on a bird.

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Sparkey 'Sparks' Tyrell
Cloakers
#116 - 2013-12-27 22:10:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Obligatory "I don't understand relativity, but Einstein may be wrong!" post.

You don't need to understand relativity to understand that a 'theory' is not a law. Even a law is not necessarily correct. Currently there is a bit of a disagreement between relativity and quantum physics, they can't both be wrong, or could they, maybe both are right or there's something else we haven't discovered that makes them both work but just not in our 3 dimensional space...