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Level 3 Drake Active Tank build with 4 BCU
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Katherine Dune
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#1 - 2013-12-26 20:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Katherine Dune
hey guys

Ive checked battle clinic and there's a phew good builds there, but not 100% what im after, since most builds put a drone damage improvement or shield item in the BCU slot

Here's my build and i found the 4 BCU's to be necessary right now for level 4's, especially to kill bosses and there armor repping

so the reason i have BCU's is because im not using Tech 2 heavy missiles nor launchers, im not skilled to them just yet. and im finding my dps for level 3 missions is just to low without them and caldari navy heavy's cost alot to upkeep as well compared to what i make from level 3 loot/salvage

Now i know my build isnt perfect, this entire post/question is pure curiousity if i can adjust this build to be an active shield tank instead of passive

My Drake
6x Arbal Heavy Launchers
1x Medium Diminishing Power System Drain

4x BCU II

1x EM Ward field II
1x Adaptive Invun Field II
1x Thermic Dissipation Field II
Expiremental 10MN Afterburner I
Parallel weapons Transmitter
Large shield Extender II

1x Medium warhead Rigor I
1x Medium Processor Overclocking I
1x Medium Ancillary Router I

5x hobgoblin I
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2013-12-26 21:19:31 UTC
Never ever try to put a shield booster on a Drake.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#3 - 2013-12-26 21:26:01 UTC
I'm sorry, where's the active part?

I dont see any boosters

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#4 - 2013-12-26 22:24:59 UTC
Quote:
Here's my build and i found the 4 BCU's to be necessary right now for level 4's, especially to kill bosses and there armor repping


Just wanted to say it is usually
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Fly a Raven for 4s. 3BCUs should be enough, the 4th stacking penalty should be mostly a waste.

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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-26 23:10:10 UTC
im pretty new myself m8, but loving my drake what i fittied was

highs
6x XR-3200 Heavy missile bays

mids
1x Adaptive invulnerability field 2 (but 1 is fine)
1x thermatic dissipation amplifier 2 (again 1 is fine)
1x kinetic deflection amplifier 2 (again 1 fine)
2x large shield extender 2 (1's fine again)
1x experimental 10mn AB

lows

2x Ballistic Control system 2 (metas be fine)
2x Beata Reactor Control: shield power relay 1's

Rigs

3x Medium Core Defense field purger 1


i was able to do all lvl 3 missions in it fairly easily, hope it helps, soon have replies if it pile of poop though lol
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-26 23:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
See first 2 replies:


1. That is NOT an active tank.
2. Do NOT active tank a drake.

3. 4th BCU is kind of useless due to stacking penalty

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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-12-26 23:24:25 UTC
nvm thought u was talking to me sorry
Katherine Dune
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#8 - 2013-12-27 00:44:05 UTC
seem's my post was highly miss-understood

I fixed my build up, realised my mistakes and corrected them

But my question wasnt about MY BUILD, i only put it there so people can have an idea of what i had

I was simply asking curiously if its possible to make an effective PVE active tank drake. that was the main question. i was never asking for build advice on my build, i knew it was fail. i just needed a phew days to fix it and train the right skills
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#9 - 2013-12-27 01:52:49 UTC
Katherine Dune wrote:
seem's my post was highly miss-understood

I fixed my build up, realised my mistakes and corrected them

But my question wasnt about MY BUILD, i only put it there so people can have an idea of what i had

I was simply asking curiously if its possible to make an effective PVE active tank drake. that was the main question. i was never asking for build advice on my build, i knew it was fail. i just needed a phew days to fix it and train the right skills



We were basically saying Yes, you *can* handle most level 4's in a Drake... but it's going to be slower and more painful than just using a battleship. A Raven or Scorpion is going to give you more than enough tank to handle level 4's, plus way more damage to breeze through them in a fraction of the time.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-27 02:00:46 UTC
Katherine Dune wrote:
seem's my post was highly miss-understood

I fixed my build up, realised my mistakes and corrected them

But my question wasnt about MY BUILD, i only put it there so people can have an idea of what i had

I was simply asking curiously if its possible to make an effective PVE active tank drake. that was the main question. i was never asking for build advice on my build, i knew it was fail. i just needed a phew days to fix it and train the right skills



No you shouldn't active tank a drake yes you can run 4s if fit properly otherwise what everyone else told you.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2013-12-27 02:53:01 UTC
The only reason to fit a Drake with a shield booster is comedy.

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Katherine Dune
Slow Chidlren at Play
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#12 - 2013-12-27 08:34:10 UTC
ok thanks for the answer, im definatly close to a raven, ill definatly make that my goal
Viktor Roesch
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-27 10:54:16 UTC
Yes you can make an active tank drake and make it work but you'll need a good shield booster for, thing is that even if the tank works the dps doesn't. It's just too low dps to be viable and logical to use, I'm sure many will protest and say that it works "fine" and that they haven't died yet but it's silly nonetheless.

As others a said get a Raven, and that one you have to active tank.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-12-27 10:54:21 UTC
I remember getting into a Drake at about 17 days old and running L3s, then L4s. After about 3 months I could sit in a Raven and thought I was ready. I tried it out in what I recognized as an easy L4 mission and nearly lost it. Hauled it back to the station in structure and took out my Drake to finish the mission. Didn't get in the Raven again for another 3 months. It is a completely different beast to the Drake. Do not make the mistake of thinking that just because you can run L4s in a Drake, a Raven will just be easy and faster. A Raven relies on an active tank and high DPS to kill the enemy before they get in range.

Yes it can do L4s faster when you have the skills, but you do need SP in cap and shield management as well as experience of managing them and positional awareness. A Drake can just wade in and soak up the punishment while plinking away at the enemy, you can't do that in a Raven.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-27 11:45:22 UTC
Katherine Dune wrote:
seem's my post was highly miss-understood

I fixed my build up, realised my mistakes and corrected them

But my question wasnt about MY BUILD, i only put it there so people can have an idea of what i had

I was simply asking curiously if its possible to make an effective PVE active tank drake. that was the main question. i was never asking for build advice on my build, i knew it was fail. i just needed a phew days to fix it and train the right skills



No. Just NO.

Again, do NOT active tank a drake. Period.

Drake sis passive tank and passive tank only. All active tank drakes are are fun things to point your finger and laugh.


And yes a Drake can do L4 missions although slowly. Better to use a BS or T3.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#16 - 2014-01-02 23:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
J'Poll, I'm genuinely curious as to why not to active tank a Drake. I honestly don't know, don't fly them myself and I'm too lazy to go verify for myself why this is a bad idea. I'm sure the OP will appreciate the additional info. I would, too.

To clarify for OP:

Active Shield tank: uses modules that repair the shield.
Passive Shield tank: uses modules that increase shield regeneration.
Buffer Shield tank: uses modules that increase the raw HP of shields.

Active Armor tank: uses modules that repair the armor.
Buffer Armor tank: uses modules that increase the raw HP of armor.

Then there is the matter of resistances, which affect these tank types a little differently each. That's another topic of discussion!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-01-03 00:25:33 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
J'Poll, I'm genuinely curious as to why not to active tank a Drake. I honestly don't know, don't fly them myself and I'm too lazy to go verify for myself why this is a bad idea. I'm sure the OP will appreciate the additional info. I would, too.

To clarify for OP:

Active Shield tank: uses modules that repair the shield.
Passive Shield tank: uses modules that increase shield regeneration.
Buffer Shield tank: uses modules that increase the raw HP of shields.

Active Armor tank: uses modules that repair the armor.
Buffer Armor tank: uses modules that increase the raw HP of armor.

Then there is the matter of resistances, which affect these tank types a little differently each. That's another topic of discussion!


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Drake

1. Resist boosts to increase damage migitation
2. No shield boost bonuses.
3. Capacitor amount is on the low-ish amount which means a booster will wreck your cap quickly.
4. 6 midslots so easily can fit a passive tank with extra buffer (resists + shield extender).
5. 4 Low slots. Means 3 can be used for BCU to increase gank. 4th is 'utility', this can be a DCU, shield mod or 4th BCU - though that is kind of waste of slot due to stacking penalty.

If fitted with 2x Large Shield Extender, 2x primairy hardener + 1x secondary hardener and 1 x prop mod - personally prefer AB. Then last low a DCU and purger rigs...you have a drake that can even tank some of the L4 missions. It only lacks the gank then to do them effectively and you will die/struggle in some ofnthe harder L4 missions.

But as this is about L3 missions...tank should be MORE then enough.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#18 - 2014-01-03 02:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Major Trant wrote:


Yes it can do L4s faster when you have the skills, but you do need SP in cap and shield management as well as experience of managing them and positional awareness. A Drake can just wade in and soak up the punishment while plinking away at the enemy, you can't do that in a Raven.

qft. Passive drake can do lvl4's well. Takes a bit of SP though, but will smash through some missions faster than a raven, especially vs. low SP raven. T2 fit mostly (apart from rigs), T1 or Navy Drake. Couple BCS's, drones, rest into your tanking. No serious need for afterburners, just keep the webs off you and moving at angles to anything hitting hard. Active is just wrong.

I started lvl4's in my drake before I even started seriously training BS skills. You should be working your core skills up first anyway, while BC has a faster training time compared to BS. Yeah, you will fail some missions early on, maybe even loose a Drake or two, but less torturous than being in a low SP BS, especially lacking core skills and ISK for replacements. Of course I know some of those are new players, looking for their first real income stream (I mastered cov-ops and exploration first), so lvl4's are tempting to get in asap for some. But drake you want passive and BS you want active, no exceptions there. If you are going to experiment in the snowball goofies, best not to solo it.

Oh and battleclinic, OP? Often best to check the eve wiki for fittings, then ask in forums ...though this is newbie forums and drake questions probably best for the ships forum. But most people building and rating battleclinic... well imho probably can better tell you how to level your blood elf hunter/ranger in wow.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#19 - 2014-01-03 06:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Common mistake: passive resist vs. active resists. This is NOT the same as active vs. passive tanking. In fact it is quite common to use both passive and active resists on the same ship.

I agree with the others: you can do level 4 missions in a Drake. You will have a problem with Vengeance (Sansha) as the last NPC Draben Kuvakei has a huge amount of repping capability and decent kinetic resist, but it isn't insurmountable [I used faction EM missiles just for him].

And if your try to pilot a Raven like a Drake, you will lose your Raven. My first Raven lasted one day; I never lost another after that. They are very different ships. [Ravens should always use a shield booster and a cap booster, and never be cap stable.]
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#20 - 2014-01-03 07:01:17 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
In fact it is quite common to use both passive and active resists on the same ship.

Yes, I use both on my Drake, hardeners plus amps.

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