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You might consider cloaky Transports for humping through Low/Null/Wh's.

Also, see changes recently made to warping and large ships.

The best use for an orca is when pirating and a fight not going well, eject from the combat ships, orca scoops up and jumps to high sec.

I used an oraca for level 4 mission support a couple of years ago, and the drones did pretty good. Passive tanked it, and let the drones loose, while I cleaned up in a tengu. Also used tractors to pull the stuff close, and and later switched to a destroyer for instant salvaging.

No idea how it will do in null though.

The orca has this MWD trick when you can get it to align and warp in about 10s. This, definitely, is the best use of an orca :)

The guys in the Ships and Modules forum may have more useful advice. For MD, the orca is one of the best haulers ever, as it has cargo capacity between freighters and industrials, and can align and warp like a BS and not a capital, and has the non-scannable corp hanger (this may not be true any more).

Best use ? Baiting offcourse ...

Note: The previous poster time expired.

#4 Posted: 2013.12.26 22:34

I have never tried that.
I had to retreat or be killed from High Sec NPC Pirates before.

#5 Posted: 2013.12.27 01:31

The previous poster was in Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere which are not goon renter.
I can buy the Orca in null, though bringing it out is another story.
I was informed that it was stupid to use it in null since there is no way to protect it against military capitals.

As for planning an attack and practical attack, those terms are inherently different in their definition, even though they share relations in their objectives, goals and outcomes.

#6 Posted: 2013.12.27 04:40

(1) I don't have a Tengu, only have access to level 2 missions, and soon maybe level 3. However, the mining sites for Ice or combat sites are filed with Pirates. Those pirates are not in level 4 mission but still have a relative strength.

(2) I don't have a Tengu, far from it, the best I could muster up is to buy a PvE Battleship. It could in turn also be destroyed by a small fleet. I could also get a bomber although it is also vulnerable to attacks. I currently have a BC for largest tank, beside the Orca I take it. Either way, that would leave me more vulnerable. Including that many factors would be left out of the equation.
(3) ...
(4) It would be good for me even if able to use it sparringly when suicide gank missions aren't underway. The Ice Mining is better in Low Sec though. The problem lies in the lack of defense in null and the bubbles. The same defense risk applies to low sec minus the bubbles. It can still be webbed and scrambled multiple times.
(5) I didn't know about the Orca MWD trick and I still don't know about it. I'd have to test it and try it rather than see it to make the best use of it or not. I'd be liable to say believe it and then try it and realize that it failed after test results worked.

(6) Ships and Modules forum would let us share our thoughts on EVE ships not directly related to Market related income. I find correlation between the EVE Gameplay Center Market Discussions channel and the EVE Marketplace forum. It is no coincidence that the ratio of my potential income from the Character Bazaar keeps on exponentially raising.

(7) I never tried a BS yet either although I also trained to pilot one. It is triple or quadruple the cargo of an Industrial at best. The question is, relative to it's half a billion cost, will it survive suicide gank? it is already a more valuable target by a magnitude of 10.
My main concerns for hauling relied on the speed at which it could deliver goods.
That is compared to the multiple back and forth hauling routes an Industrial must take.
Is the Industrial able to deliver the goods faster than it would take the Orca.
Similarly, I would then apply and test the logic to Freighters, and even Jump Freighters relative to fuel costs, including acquisition.


That could work great in High Sec. I didn't try many of the sites there.
Also, I didn't read much on the Ghost sites and the new EVE Sisters ships.


Yes... If I could use that in null or low sec to bait the enemy or some pirate neutrals to be baited. It however takes more effectives.

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#9 Posted: 2013.12.27 14:15
" Vaerah Vahrokha wrote :

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I use one of mine to scoop the other Orca wreckages, contents and salvage after a suicide gank

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Post is full. The 246m ISK White Glaze / unit x 50 units = 12.3b ISK. When was this capture taken? The current value is 150k to 246k sell x 3k+ units / 260k to 246k buy.

Yes of course, I can share with you or other some of the details on those (political) conditions.

1.
Clusterfuck Coalition (Player Coalition)
Note: That "Player coalition, or Players coalition, or Coalition of Alliances",
shows no "Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere" (alliance) as part of its members since they are not their members,
as first quoted.

2.
Alliance : Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
shows:
"Official CFC Renter Alliance." at the top of their Alliance Description.
That also holds as true even though they are not members of the CFC or the Goons.


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For another thing, it tends to work against Freedom Fighter Politics who can also be against Faction Warfare.

• a. I am a capsuleer who values independence and freedom
Even if those independence values are directly or indirectly related to b., comrades freedom, being related to group spirit and group combat.

• b.I fight for my and my comrades' freedoms
See a. above.

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You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old. You can post a new one in 204 seconds.
(There is no way this account is even close to being less than 2 days old, nice cover up though!!
And I'm not even posting which main pod pilot character is related to it.)

If only you could still do that.

So CFC is not a coalition run by goons......check.
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere is not the rental empire of CFC....check.
oh wait no....wrong on both counts. Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere are goon renters as i mentioned.
The reason i made my post was that the russian/CFC vs N3/PL war entered a stalemate. Part of CFC tried opening a second front and failed. now N3 and various allies including TEST have declared they will invade CFC on multiple fronts starting with the rental alliance.
Moving a high value , slow to align ship into a warzone was i suggested sarcastically not a good idea.
Why you felt the need to correct my factually accurate and helpful comments is beyond me.
Anyway if OP wishes to move his orca into this area covered with covert cyno alts (including mine) then he is ofc allowed to do that and i will have a better chance of a shiny orca kill.

During a wartime which includes all zones (as such warzone).
That same Orca in High-sec would be a Same Value Target, in High or Low sec or other.
This whether a high value or Fiat value.

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Silvetica Dian wrote:
"Why you felt the need to correct my factually accurate and helpful comments is beyond me."

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No and as you will see, the initial subject matter will resurface.
Also, Buzz Orti, the OP Vis Aldent and I are the same.

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Silvetica Dian wrote:
"Anyway if OP wishes to move his orca into this area covered with covert cyno alts (including mine) then he is ofc allowed to do that and i will have a better chance of a shiny orca kill."

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I am pretty sure that wouldn't work since the Covert Cyno Alts wouldn't give the Orca any ways to use it.

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Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere Alliance is an Official CFC Renter Alliance
although not the only one.
They also are not part of their structure.

Goons also have other Official renters in their Corporation, Alliance and other Alliances part of the CFC.
They may also have counter-intelligence expenditure as part of marketing scheme.

I'm not here to debate the merit or value of the agreement for rentals and the related Empire Building financing.

There is good reason why I put (politics) in parenthesis and not in bold or italic or underlined.
It was to convey the fact that politics and business systems or market discussions are opposed.

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flakeys wrote:
In MD we like to keep things clean of that bullshit. ...

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The reason I made this post , and at the time that I was about to get an Orca is for financial reasons.
I also find out that I may be better to trade the Orca pilot on the Character Bazaar.

I will open a new thread in the Price Check channel of the EVE Marketplace forum with possible external links.
I want to make a new thread which will list the financial value or market values of the pod pilot Characters on the Character Bazaar.

I will try to update a list of the offers, and the related values of potential pilots skills.

Enough said or mentioned about this for now, as it may be possible to implement algorithm to automate analysis tasks.
It would also obviously more than double my current income while omitting further losses on investments.


It might also make it easier to explain a few important business tactics to those who don't understand.

Why if they buy or produce a loaf of bread, that to have to pay 2 or double the cost for each and single one is not viable.
Talk about war of attrition and alienating the party under siege, attack or target into lying to them with fools gold.

There is no way that it is more profitable to me or anyone to invest time , money, efforts while risking to loose it.
Don't fly what you can't loose, as they used to say, and if you can make more without flying it, why bother?!

First of all, thank you for your reply.

Secondly, I am planning to raise the Bazaar value of the Orca pod pilot.

Thirdly, about the null sec reference to Orca use, there are a few factors involved and that are related to it.
Some of those factors I will not discuss here at this time, as it relates to politics.
Some other of those factors are that, it could be an easy target and would not be protected by Concord.

4th:
I trained it to be a Mining Booster so far, and plan on upgrading some of the Mastery related skills.
I also plan on Training a Rorqual although at this point buying one is the winning option for me.

5th:
As for moving, I just trained a Freighter but didn't buy it either yet.
I would prefer loose a 500m Orca than a 1b Freighter if I would be given the choice.

I need the potential cargo space if it is faster than say make 3 round trips with industrials.
This however omits that 3 lower costs industrials might make the trips one way and more than 3 times faster.

I have a Gallente Ore Mover which now requires Gallente Indy I skills (trained in minutes) to carry 67k m3 Ore.
It has Gallente Indy V bonus which may not be much anymore, although I didn't verify.

(btw, the Standard Industrial Ships > Gallente EVElopedia page as not been updated with information on the types of Cargo change.


6th:
I will get to a new thread (which I will link from here) in the Price Check channel of the EVE Marketplace forums related to this thread and the Character Bazaar thread.

Price Checks Thread on Opportunities, Every One Welcome!!