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TiDi: Only penalizes PVE pilots.

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2013-12-26 19:55:32 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.


Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
detrimental to ISK per hour.


Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
ISK per hour.


Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
ISK.



Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
per hour.



And theres your problem right there scrooge mcduck.

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Ginger Barbarella
#22 - 2013-12-26 19:57:20 UTC
mynnna wrote:
So you want a dramatic increase in your payout just because tidi blipped once for ten seconds during a thirty minute mission?

No.

Besides, CCP's recent rework of how systems are grouped together on a node means you shouldn't ever see tidi resulting from nullsec fleet fights in your precious L4 farm systems anymore anyway. So, if you do see TiDi, you have only yourself & your fellow mission runners to blame.



Ah, the voice of the player's representative with CSM. Gotta feel the love.

But then, you're a nullie, so why should anyone but other nullies rally to such anti-high sec bile...

*motions other goonies to the stage*

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#23 - 2013-12-26 20:19:01 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
ITT Tom Gerard baits not only Tippia and Petrus Blackshell, but also mynnna

looooool


Bad ideas must be stomped on regardless of origin, lest the trolls be picked up and championed as real ideas. P

OP is a Tom Gerard alt? TIL...

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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#24 - 2013-12-26 20:36:48 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
There are PROs and CONs with the time dilation system, however none of the PROs benefit PVE pilots.

Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.


There needs to be a PRO for mission runners, and the solution should be simple yet elegant.
When each mission is generated, it is accompanied by a new empty variable. This variable would track the high-water mark for TiDi experienced during the mission, and then compensate the rewards appropriately.

Mission Reward = (1 + (TiDi * 1))

For instance if the system was under 70% Time Dilation during the mission, the payout would be increased from 1m isk to 1.7m ISK.

The LP would be increased from 10k LP to 17k LP.

For the Anom Runners:
Every Wallet tick should reset and track the high-water mark for TiDi and multiply bounties accordingly.


Wallet Tick = (1 + (TiDi * 1)).


This would help quell the faceless accusations that EVE caters only to the PVP player.

I am uncertain if miners are penalized by TiDi so I can't speak to this but if they are, the same method should be applied.




I suggest reporting for RMT as obviously isk per hour is how he gets paid!
Maichin Civire
#25 - 2013-12-26 20:58:14 UTC
What the hell am I reading...
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-12-26 21:01:15 UTC
cant CCP simply unplug hisec so we can have a 4000 man battle in null without TiDi = problem solved :D

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-12-26 22:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
What's the minimum amount to pay for a killmail of this guy, at best in one of his expensive ships?

Talk to ACE Gunnery, the break-a-wish foundation, or the goon with 30 isoboxed catalysts.

I wager going rate for a .5 gank would be ~500 mil or less if you find a group.
(so please do it, I like the idea of hurting people for bad ideas. I did it until my ship died)

Garnoo wrote:
cant CCP simply unplug hisec so we can have a 4000 man battle in null without TiDi = problem solved :D

If that happens I cant make all those DDA 2s and wardens and DC2s you guys are chugging

Seriously keep it up, I like making money
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2013-12-26 22:40:27 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
cant CCP simply unplug hisec so we can have a 4000 man battle in null without TiDi = problem solved :D

If that happens I cant make all those DDA 2s and wardens and DC2s you guys are chugging

Seriously keep it up, I like making money

Doesn't matter. Even if we had the best node for it, it would still tidi

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Ambassador Spock
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-26 22:49:08 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
Mission Reward = (1 + (TiDi * 1))

For instance if the system was under 70% Time Dilation during the mission, the payout would be increased from 1m isk to 1.7m ISK.

The LP would be increased from 10k LP to 17k LP.

For the Anom Runners:
Every Wallet tick should reset and track the high-water mark for TiDi and multiply bounties accordingly.


Wallet Tick = (1 + (TiDi * 1)).


Your math is wrong. It should be Mission Reward = (1 + ((100-TiDi) * 1)))

With your math under 10% TiDi a 1 mil mission would give 1.1 mil, while under 99% TiDi a 1 mil mission would give 1.99 mil. With TiDi the lower the number you see, the slower things go.

Also, this is a terrible idea.

Also also, who multiplies stuff by 1 in expressions?

 --  - Ambassador Spock

"Vulcans never bluff."
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2013-12-26 22:50:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
cant CCP simply unplug hisec so we can have a 4000 man battle in null without TiDi = problem solved :D

If that happens I cant make all those DDA 2s and wardens and DC2s you guys are chugging

Seriously keep it up, I like making money

Doesn't matter. Even if we had the best node for it, it would still tidi

And I wouldnt have it any other way.

I feel though I should train a bomber and assist in the only way I know how
Explosions.
Oh and AFK cloak in VFK such that no one will undock
Then there wont be tidi \Lol/
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-12-26 22:54:15 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
There are PROs and CONs with the time dilation system, however none of the PROs benefit PVE pilots.

Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.


There needs to be a PRO for mission runners, and the solution should be simple yet elegant.
When each mission is generated, it is accompanied by a new empty variable. This variable would track the high-water mark for TiDi experienced during the mission, and then compensate the rewards appropriately.

Mission Reward = (1 + (TiDi * 1))

For instance if the system was under 70% Time Dilation during the mission, the payout would be increased from 1m isk to 1.7m ISK.

The LP would be increased from 10k LP to 17k LP.

For the Anom Runners:
Every Wallet tick should reset and track the high-water mark for TiDi and multiply bounties accordingly.


Wallet Tick = (1 + (TiDi * 1)).


This would help quell the faceless accusations that EVE caters only to the PVP player.

I am uncertain if miners are penalized by TiDi so I can't speak to this but if they are, the same method should be applied.




This is genuinely hilarious, not because you're a whiny little mission runner with no thought or care for anything other than your ISK/hr, but because you may have inadvertently solved several problems at once:

I believe I will forward your suggestion without the narrowminded self interest - to increase ALL DPS by the TiDi factor; after all if fleets in 10% TiDi did 10x as much damage, then fights would be over faster, and the source of the server lag - the real underlying issue here - would be resolved that much faster.

And since the major cause of TiDi is slowcat tactics, a 10x damage boost would provide a very viable counter.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-12-26 22:55:29 UTC
o.0 120k alpha nado?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#33 - 2013-12-26 23:01:49 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
o.0 120k alpha nado?

Quick, lag up the node, then spread fire to alpha the entire enemy fleet.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-12-26 23:09:53 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
o.0 120k alpha nado?


Get in a Nag if you want to talk about alpha, scrub.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#35 - 2013-12-26 23:15:17 UTC
And their should be a GTC time reward aswell because time go's slower aswell!!


Serious... gfto filty carebear


WOW > That way
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2013-12-26 23:16:50 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
cant CCP simply unplug hisec so we can have a 4000 man battle in null without TiDi = problem solved :D

If that happens I cant make all those DDA 2s and wardens and DC2s you guys are chugging

Seriously keep it up, I like making money

Doesn't matter. Even if we had the best node for it, it would still tidi

And I wouldnt have it any other way.

I feel though I should train a bomber and assist in the only way I know how
Explosions.
Oh and AFK cloak in VFK such that no one will undock
Then there wont be tidi \Lol/

you don't need to do that, people already outright camp vfk

look at at the cyno beacon, for example...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#37 - 2013-12-26 23:43:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


This is genuinely hilarious, not because you're a whiny little mission runner with no thought or care for anything other than your ISK/hr, but because you may have inadvertently solved several problems at once:

I believe I will forward your suggestion without the narrowminded self interest - to increase ALL DPS by the TiDi factor; after all if fleets in 10% TiDi did 10x as much damage, then fights would be over faster,


Yeah and then logi would become useless because you would alpha people in one server tick.

Stop flattering your ego by insulting mission runners and go help to finish the summer minutes instead Lol !

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Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#38 - 2013-12-26 23:45:07 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Stop flattering your ego by insulting mission runners and go help to finish the summer minutes instead Lol !


Do you really expect a politician to accomplish anything? =)
Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#39 - 2013-12-27 00:39:05 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
What's the minimum amount to pay for a killmail of this guy, at best in one of his expensive ships?

Talk to ACE Gunnery, the break-a-wish foundation, or the goon with 30 isoboxed catalysts.

I wager going rate for a .5 gank would be ~500 mil or less if you find a group.
(so please do it, I like the idea of hurting people for bad ideas. I did it until my ship died)

Garnoo wrote:
cant CCP simply unplug hisec so we can have a 4000 man battle in null without TiDi = problem solved :D

If that happens I cant make all those DDA 2s and wardens and DC2s you guys are chugging

Seriously keep it up, I like making money
I got enlightened about it and realize now that all I did was fall for a troll, just like you all the other zombies.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2013-12-27 00:43:04 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Stop flattering your ego by insulting mission runners and go help to finish the summer minutes instead Lol !


Do you really expect a politician to accomplish anything? =)


Who are you calling a politician?

And who was insulting mission runners? I'm one my self.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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