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TiDi: Only penalizes PVE pilots.

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Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#1 - 2013-12-26 18:12:29 UTC
There are PROs and CONs with the time dilation system, however none of the PROs benefit PVE pilots.

Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.


There needs to be a PRO for mission runners, and the solution should be simple yet elegant.
When each mission is generated, it is accompanied by a new empty variable. This variable would track the high-water mark for TiDi experienced during the mission, and then compensate the rewards appropriately.

Mission Reward = (1 + (TiDi * 1))

For instance if the system was under 70% Time Dilation during the mission, the payout would be increased from 1m isk to 1.7m ISK.

The LP would be increased from 10k LP to 17k LP.

For the Anom Runners:
Every Wallet tick should reset and track the high-water mark for TiDi and multiply bounties accordingly.


Wallet Tick = (1 + (TiDi * 1)).


This would help quell the faceless accusations that EVE caters only to the PVP player.

I am uncertain if miners are penalized by TiDi so I can't speak to this but if they are, the same method should be applied.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2013-12-26 18:14:25 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
There are PROs and CONs with the time dilation system, however none of the PROs benefit PVE pilots.
…aside from the ones that apply to everyone: they don't suffer from black-screens, non-responsive modules, unavoidable ship loss, and crashes.

Quote:
Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.
Boohoo.

Quote:
This would help quell the faceless accusations that EVE caters only to the PVP player.
Lol
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-26 18:14:53 UTC
Because TiDi doesn't effect PvP players in those 2000+ player fights right?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-26 18:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Why are you missioning in a system with TiDi active? There is plenty of benefit of TiDi for pve players. They manage to stay logged in and are able to play the game. Without it you wouldn't have reduced income over the period of play, you would have no income because you wouldn't be playing.

Also, I can't think of a single con with the TiDi system that would be solved by not having it in place.

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Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#5 - 2013-12-26 18:16:52 UTC

This is going to be good, brb grabbing popcorn.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-26 18:18:01 UTC
So you want a dramatic increase in your payout just because tidi blipped once for ten seconds during a thirty minute mission?



No.



Besides, CCP's recent rework of how systems are grouped together on a node means you shouldn't ever see tidi resulting from nullsec fleet fights in your precious L4 farm systems anymore anyway. So, if you do see TiDi, you have only yourself & your fellow mission runners to blame.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-12-26 18:25:07 UTC
What's annoying about these"brilliant ideas" is that the brilliant idea person is so busy bing brilliant they spend no time checking their own idea.

More rewards for TiDi? Cool, now lets go get EVERYONE i know and get them to bring all their friends to someplace like Osmon so we can trigger TiDi and all get better rewards than we could have gotten having to organize and lead severla incursion fleets. Yea, there would be nothing broken about that at all.......
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-12-26 18:27:56 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
This would help quell the faceless accusations that EVE caters only to the PVP player.

I guess nothing need be done then, since they're faceless.

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Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#9 - 2013-12-26 18:30:58 UTC
What's the minimum amount to pay for a killmail of this guy, at best in one of his expensive ships?
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-12-26 18:33:03 UTC
I don't think i have ever had Tidi whilst doing anything PVE.. In fact i think the only ever time i have had it was during one of the Burn Jita thingies..
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-12-26 18:40:19 UTC
6/10 decent troll

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flakeys
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-12-26 18:43:25 UTC
Sometimes you just feel the energy sucked right out of you to even try and make an argument .... Roll

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2013-12-26 18:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
And for haulers/traders? And for miners? And for miner-bumpers? And for explorers who depend on loot, not bounties? And for incursioners/FWers who depend on LP? And for...?

Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.


Time Dilation is detrimental to DPS, ore/gas/ice per second, trader warp speed, salvager cycle time, miner bumper speed time, and a number of other things. What makes your "wallet tick" so special that it needs TiDi compensation over other methods of income?

Every time you run into TiDi and get annoyed, instead of posting to the forums, why not think to yourself "man, I sure wish this TiDi didn't happen, so my client could stop responding and I could crash to desktop while these rats killed me."

tl;dr: HTFU

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Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#14 - 2013-12-26 18:55:28 UTC
You can't be serious...
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#15 - 2013-12-26 18:58:51 UTC
Samuel Moore Walton wrote:
There are PROs and CONs with the time dilation system, however none of the PROs benefit PVE pilots.

Time Dilation is detrimental to ISK per hour of pilots active in space.


There needs to be a PRO for mission runners, and the solution should be simple yet elegant.
When each mission is generated, it is accompanied by a new empty variable. This variable would track the high-water mark for TiDi experienced during the mission, and then compensate the rewards appropriately.

Mission Reward = (1 + (TiDi * 1))

For instance if the system was under 70% Time Dilation during the mission, the payout would be increased from 1m isk to 1.7m ISK.

The LP would be increased from 10k LP to 17k LP.

For the Anom Runners:
Every Wallet tick should reset and track the high-water mark for TiDi and multiply bounties accordingly.


Wallet Tick = (1 + (TiDi * 1)).


This would help quell the faceless accusations that EVE caters only to the PVP player.

I am uncertain if miners are penalized by TiDi so I can't speak to this but if they are, the same method should be applied.




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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-12-26 19:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
ITT Tom Gerard baits not only Tippia and Petrus Blackshell, but also mynnna

looooool

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2013-12-26 19:24:32 UTC
When I read this thread, my brain goes into Tidi.



Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Josef Djugashvilis
#18 - 2013-12-26 19:41:59 UTC
Yet another not very subtle nerf mission income thread.

Null-sec folk will have fun with it though.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#19 - 2013-12-26 19:47:03 UTC
Rhatar Khurin wrote:
I don't think i have ever had Tidi whilst doing anything PVE.. In fact i think the only ever time i have had it was during one of the Burn Jita thingies..


One used to get the odd bit of TiDi in hi-sec, but tbh, it just made me have understanding and sympathy for the poor folk in null who have to endure TiDi on a fairly regular basis.

TiDi seems to be the least bad solution to large fights for now and the foreseeable future.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-26 19:50:23 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
ITT Tom Gerard baits not only Tippia and Petrus Blackshell, but also mynnna

looooool


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