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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#41 - 2013-12-26 11:56:04 UTC
not sure why i read all of those posts but i did ... interceptors look a lot better since bubble immunity Lol

Thank me later :D
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#42 - 2013-12-26 11:56:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Symmetrical is boring and ugly:

  • Rokh

Oh no you didn't ! Twisted
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#43 - 2013-12-26 12:27:11 UTC
Chirjo Durruti wrote:
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Every ship should be a sphere.

Every ship should be a homogeneous sphere.

To OP:

Some ship hulls used throughout New Eden can be quite offensive if you you're not accustomed to asymmetric shapes. It's like experiencing your first song from The Dillinger Escape Plan or Converge after listening only to popular music all the time. If your mind is intrigued by things it does not understand right away, you will stay and learn to understand. I fly some ships that i found ugly at first (e.g. Dominix). But you have to understand: these things protect you from harm when you're in space. Learn to respect them.

Fortunately, Eve is quite a strategic and (important in this case) tactical oriented MMO. If you're like me, you will spend most of your time in space zoomed out and in tactical mode anyway. Your ship will then be nothing more than a perfectly symmetrical dot.


+1 for Converge reference

Thank me later :D
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#44 - 2013-12-26 13:11:31 UTC
In a future expansion they should allow ship building from base modules, sorta like the T3 cruisers, but much more comprehensive, such as everything is designed by the player.
Raven O'Russ
The King's Retribution
#45 - 2013-12-26 13:25:22 UTC
Logan Revelore wrote:
In a future expansion they should allow ship building from base modules, sorta like the T3 cruisers, but much more comprehensive, such as everything is designed by the player.


Now you should start to imagine the amount of troubles, bugs, modelling and texturing, different other work and also time required for balancing your dream.
When you finish, may be this will be implemented already.
Arresy Barres
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-12-26 13:55:24 UTC
Atron is the cutest thing in space, aww man, it's like hamsters, little cute and cuddly. Just look at it. So sweet.

Straightforward.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-12-26 19:43:45 UTC
A picture of a full-scale Atron next to a small model Merlin. It's clear which ship design is more beautiful.

I kinda like the Atron, while it's definitely ugly, it has a certain appeal. But a good portion of the assymetry on EVE ships seems to have no real purpose other than making it look like the engineers on either side of the hangar weren't communicating with each other. One begins to wonder if the Raven was supposed to be two different ships that were mistakenly attached together--though there is a certain elegance from its single weird under-wing spiked-ray. And we have to suppose that the Aeon was being designed on land and an earthquake sunk the right side of the hangar.

All in all, I like some assymetry, but I think it should not be a default. The best-looking ships in my opinion tend to be basically symmetrical with an even center of balance, with their assymetry being made of smaller parts that don't need to be reproduced on the other side, and which look like they belong there. Excellent examples of good assymetry:

  • the spinning radar dish on the Scorpion
  • the side crew cabin on the Navitas
  • the side crew cabin on the Heron
  • NOT the side crew cabin on the Blackbird
  • the box-parts on the sides of the Tempest
  • NOT the way the top part and bottom part weren't attached right

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-12-26 21:01:20 UTC
Elian Troller wrote:
Try flying Amarr.
80% of their ships are quite symmetric.

except 90% of those "symmetrical ships" end up with some dumbass pod or bar sticking out of their side for no apparent reason other than CCP has some horrid phobia of symmetry
Recnac
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-12-26 23:07:45 UTC
Stop worry about the fashion of the ships. Looks of the ship does not impact the performance. Cool
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-12-27 00:28:59 UTC
Recnac wrote:
Stop worry about the fashion of the ships. Looks of the ship does not impact the performance. Cool

I beg to differ. The only reason a Moa can fly is because it is so ugly it repels the ground.

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CCP Falcon
#51 - 2013-12-27 09:18:33 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Why?

I know this isn't LoL and the developers probably never answer questions...

but wtf...

For example the atron http://l.yimg.com/ck/image/A1175/1175328/300_1175328.jpg

just why?

This is a myr from the top view.. honestly this is what i think an atron should look like http://imgur.com/uuxH1rF

What is wrong with symmetry or aesthetics in space? Is there a reason the ship designers though to make every one of their ships with some form of random protrusion?

I just dont understand it.


You thin an Atron should look like a Myrmidon... are you mad??!!

I know our artists are a bit nuts, but that's just crazy... Shocked

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#52 - 2013-12-27 09:38:25 UTC
more symmetry, proportional and dynamic looking ships are needed in this game too many wonky box shaped ships going around
things like the crow's left wonky wing is annoying ....

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#53 - 2013-12-27 12:26:56 UTC
The reason was that some Dev hated symmetric ship designs. He or she has since been fired or quit the job since most new ships have been symmetrical ar at least nearly, and redesigns of old ships have followed this rule. And obviously making random looking ships was a way to distinguish the game from other spaceship games in the early days.
Mr Doctor
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-12-27 12:55:00 UTC
Constant symmetry is boring. Granted it mostly looks nicer but nicer isnt always better, diversity is. In a spaceship where aerodynamics arent a premium there would probably be hardly any symmetry anyway, builds would be functional..... and I quite like the Atron, its ugly but in a meaty way and looks like it could really punch you with its big popeye arm.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2013-12-27 13:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
There are a good balance of designs in EvE. If you don't like the look of what you are flying, you are free to reskill.

I wont fly hideous Gallente snot-balls, but I respect the right of those who do to have different tastes to me.

In short, if you fly for looks, train for what you like, not what you dont.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-12-27 13:38:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
There are a good balance of designs in EvE. If you don't like the look of what you are flying, you are free to reskill.

I wont flying hideous Gallente snot-balls, but I respect the right of those who do to have different tastes to me.

In short, if you fly for looks, train for what you like, not what you dont.

Dat almost existential horror of fleet doctrines...

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#57 - 2013-12-27 13:41:50 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:

Dat


What?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Raven O'Russ
The King's Retribution
#58 - 2013-12-27 13:54:33 UTC
"Dat" = that is, possibly.

About fleets, i believe capsuleers are free to join the fleet or not, unless their corporations are not in state of war or something like that.

Also, i am certainly sure there doesn't exist a great armada of moas. If you find one - please, send me a screenshot.

As far as i know, fleets are divided by a) size, b) defence type, c) goal. And we have several available ships for any of this occasions. My opinion is that if (for example) someone doesn't like the look of gallente interceptor - so be it, there are amarr ceptors over there, being used just the same way.

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong, since my latest activity is just shooting red crosses.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#59 - 2013-12-27 13:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Raven O'Russ wrote:
"Dat" = that is, possibly.

About fleets, i believe capsuleers are free to join the fleet or not, unless their corporations are not in state of war or something like that.

Also, i am certainly sure there doesn't exist a great armada of moas. If you find one - please, send me a screenshot.

As far as i know, fleets are divided by a) size, b) defence type, c) goal. And we have several available ships for any of this occasions. My opinion is that if (for example) someone doesn't like the look of gallente interceptor - so be it, there are amarr ceptors over there, being used just the same way.

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong, since my latest activity is just shooting red crosses.



I dont think you are wrong as such, but if I was in a fleet for doing stuff and srs bsnss Id be damned sure to ignore the look of whatever I was given to fly and think of the mission.

I didnt cry when Chirrba supplied us all with Ospreys to help him, though its a hideous monstrosity of a hoover-ship


But when I have choice, I fly in a style that suits me

Preferrably Ashimmu shaped.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#60 - 2013-12-27 15:25:12 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

Symmetrical is boring and ugly:

  • Fenrir



I cannot believe anyone would hate on our beloved Jawa ship! Ugh