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Want to Update from XP, But to What?

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Pew Terror
All of it
#101 - 2013-12-25 22:49:10 UTC
Win8 is great, people are just retards and cant learn a few things.

Start menu gets replaced by a full screen tile view. This is customizable and searchable. This one gets the most hate which is silly seeing it replaced a horrible convoluted popup tree control. Finding an app that you don't now where it is and firing up ones you use often is faster then before, that's a fact.

The settings (control panel and the like) have gotten much more designed towards a non technical person and are therefore slower to use for the average user that was used to the olden control panel. Everyone who calls himself a "technical person" and doesn't use command lines for this sort of thing needs to understand that he is one of the least common demoninator people that side of the ui targets.

Metro apps have a different tiling window manager then classic windows. You can only do simple layouts and this can be stressful if you are chaotic with your window placement in the classic view and like it. Personally I never have any single monitor layout different then 2 windows side by side so it doesn't bother me.

All in all: Win8 is better then Win7 from a technical standpoint. As a novice user you will have to learn new ways to access programs and manage window tiling. That's pretty much it.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#102 - 2013-12-25 22:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
wiLik wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
MS consumer OS over the years:

Windows 98SE -------> GOOD
Windows ME ~~~~~~~> BAD
Windows XP ---------> GOOD
Windows Vista ~~~~~~> BAD
Windows 7 ----------> GOOD
Windows 8 ~~~~~~~~~> BAD


See the pattern ???


Errr.... So where does windows 2000 come in then?

The NT tree. 2000 was the first attempt to merge FAT32 desktop OS's with teh NTFS workstation OS's into a single multi-use OS type system. XP was actually a far better emergence of the two as the second attempt. What resulted was the standard workstation/desktop OS we have now as opposed to the Server OS's M$ also produces. 2000 was really more the NT variation, many apps didn't run cross-platform very well if at all.

Currently I wouldn't bother with win8 unless installing onto a convertible laptop/tablet. But if you want to save money for the 64bit OS out of the box, then win8, otherwise win7 64bit. Lots of software requires 64bit now. Soon enough though, they will be producing solid state drive integration (such as my tablet has) onto the MB for PC's, which will make the most considerable performance difference compared to the differences between win7, win8 or win9.

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Skurja Volpar
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#103 - 2013-12-25 23:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Skurja Volpar
7 is a functional stable workhorse,

8 is the same plus loads of pointless stuff.

Both beat the **** out of xp, but I'd say just go 7.

Linux runs eve via wine reasonably well, but noticably worse than windows. But if your a linux enthusiast you wont give a **** anyway and grit your teeth in the name of sudo supremacey.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#104 - 2013-12-26 00:01:36 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
I like Linux.

Probably not a popular thing to say in this thread but looking at the posts here and all the discussions of work-arounds, problems with Win 8.0, license restrictions, demands on memory, etc I'm glad I'm out of it.

No such problems with Linux, different challenges sure, but this is not a problem if you know what you are doing.

So if you are confident enough to install Windows from scratch, then you would have no problems at all with getting Linux on your box. It's all there, OS, apps, drivers are all in the distro you choose. I haven't installed Windows in a long time but have been told that in comparison, installing Linux is a doddle. Pop in the DVD and tick a few boxes and that's it. Linux Mint is reckoned to be the best distro for people moving over from Windows as it's an easy transition and is stable, has good performance and works out of the box.

Download it at:

LInux Mint

I know that I will definitely be ignored, probably flamed and personally insulted but I do feel that you deserve to know that you do have a choice and the best thing about Linux is that it's free. Both as in beer and as in no lock-in.

Oh, and last but not least, people using Linux have no trouble at all running EVE.


Next time I upgrade my rig I'll configure it for dual booting between linux (haven't decided on distro yet, but probably ubuntu) and win7 64bit Pro (same license as my current OS).

I don't plan on playing EVE on linux though, not until they get native support, not interested in running it through Wine, but other than that I'll work hard to make linux my primary OS.
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#105 - 2013-12-26 10:06:58 UTC
Logan Revelore wrote:


Next time I upgrade my rig I'll configure it for dual booting between linux (haven't decided on distro yet, but probably ubuntu) and win7 64bit Pro (same license as my current OS).

I don't plan on playing EVE on linux though, not until they get native support, not interested in running it through Wine, but other than that I'll work hard to make linux my primary OS.



Good, I like to see someone with an open mind.

As far as distros go, think about Linux Mint. It's Ubuntu without all the Canonical crap like Unity and Lenses.

One thing for sure if you are going to dual-boot with Ubuntu you would really need to also run Windows 8. Unity is much closer to TIFKAM (the interface formerly known as Metro) than to Windows 7 and I reckon that you would find the transition jarring, going from a conventional desktop to a touch oriented one like Unity.

As for a native port don't hold your breath. The last time CCP tried it it was based on Cedega, a sort of private Wine. It didn't work as it was easier just to use plain old Wine. If you want to avoid messing around with getting EVE set up under Wine try Playonlinux, it's a wrapper that takes all the pain out of getting stuff running under Linux, it's free, in almost all distros including Ubuntu and Mint and it just works.
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#106 - 2013-12-26 10:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
Skurja Volpar wrote:
... if your a linux enthusiast you wont give a **** anyway and grit your teeth in the name of sudo supremacey.



Nah sudo sucks. Be a man, take control of your box and use su.

As Mark Shuttleworth once wrote. "Remember we have root" An unpleasant thought given Canonical's plans for world domination.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#107 - 2013-12-26 10:49:05 UTC


Just confirming whats been said a million times in this thread, Windows 7 is the way to go.

On a side note, if you have to use MSTSC at all, make sure you get Windows 7 Pro as the home edition does not come with it for some reason...

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