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[ISHTI] Declaration of War
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Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#161 - 2013-12-25 15:36:17 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Since when the Khanid area is included in that proxy war ?


Firstly Khanid holds a seat on the Privy Council, and is therefore involved in the prosecution of the war

Secondly where do you think the Shakorite regime occupying Pator will turn its attentions to next should the Empire fail? Do you think those Minmatar slaves in the Kingdom are somehow not in the plans of the Shakorites?


Ah, but that is another question altogether.

The current state of politics of the Privy Council may point in that direction, but the Khanid Kingdom is still not formally involved in the war to my knowledge. We do not even know if they actually participate in any way, unless you have some privy info on the matter ?


Even the arch-separatist D'Hanguest fights in the war. You seem to be alone in holding the Khanid Kingdom as not having a dog in this fight.


And yet, the Kingdom Navy does not participate in any way in the CEWPA theater, much like the Ammatar Fleet does not either. Only direct Amarrian forces are committed at the moment.


And yet, the quote you are arguing against is this one: "On the front lines against the liberation force, protecting the Empire, which includes the khanid areas."

Empire protects it's ally Khanid. Whether or not Khanid has committed forces does not invalidate Rin's statement. Force allocation is up to the Privy council, Military Command (and CONCORD I suppose).

Enough with the hairsplitting to attempt to find a wedge to divide greater Amarr.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#162 - 2013-12-25 16:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
The Amarr Empire can protect the Khanid ally as much as it wants to, it is certainly not the Amarr Empire that protects the Khanid Kingdom at the moment, since :

1) I am pretty sure that King Khanid usually considers himself able to defend his own demesne alone, even if counting on the unwavering Amarr throne is probably appreciated. Yet the simple fact consisting to say that "the Amarr Empire protects the Khanid Kingdom" could have been considered rather insulting even recently.
2) The Khanid region is not included in the war zone, and thus, out of reach of any enemy invasion. The protection that is granted here is actually Yulai's protection.
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#163 - 2013-12-25 18:45:34 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
The Amarr Empire can protect the Khanid ally as much as it wants to, it is certainly not the Amarr Empire that protects the Khanid Kingdom at the moment, since :

1) I am pretty sure that King Khanid usually considers himself able to defend his own demesne alone, even if counting on the unwavering Amarr throne is probably appreciated. Yet the simple fact consisting to say that "the Amarr Empire protects the Khanid Kingdom" could have been considered rather insulting even recently.
2) The Khanid region is not included in the war zone, and thus, out of reach of any enemy invasion. The protection that is granted here is actually Yulai's protection.


You can spin it however you like, Kahnid and Empire are still allies.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#164 - 2013-12-25 21:40:14 UTC
Of course they are. Why would not they ?
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#165 - 2013-12-25 23:14:21 UTC
So, a couple of days and nine pages have passed, have someones jimmies been rustled. Have proper fights been brought, ops been disturbed and opinions been regretted or is this yet another slow simmering conflict of sorts.
Come on, advertise a wee bit. Ship's getting rearmed, I'm bored.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#166 - 2013-12-25 23:20:06 UTC
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:


The inhabitants of Palas are devoted to Her Grace and their support is overwhelming. Also the reaction Her Grace has received from other Khanid holders and the lesser nobility is overwhelmingly positive.

Have you hired Vaari as a speechwriter?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#167 - 2013-12-25 23:28:52 UTC
You would find more useful information looking up stats on your neocom the next time your plugged to your pod (and a few sites on Gal net) than in here.

You would find the truth to Rin's statement on her death to Odelya as well. Rin is not the best pilot in the world but I am sure she knows that her executioner would never have stood a chance to the SOE frig that Odelya brought and would not have picked a fight. That's just my opinion, biased as it is for the one I love but logical if you think about it.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#168 - 2013-12-25 23:46:29 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Have you hired Vaari as a speechwriter?
And are you still sitting in your station enjoying my holoreel? Maybe it wouldn’t help your dying comrades to see you on the field, but as a man of honour... Just a thought though, I am sure your nurses could help you into pod.

Desiderya wrote:
So, a couple of days and nine pages have passed, have someones jimmies been rustled. Have proper fights been brought, ops been disturbed and opinions been regretted or is this yet another slow simmering conflict of sorts.
Come on, advertise a wee bit. Ship's getting rearmed, I'm bored.
So far a few PIE vessels have been destroyed by the Stormcrows and myself while PIE is at 0% effectiveness in this conflict because they “don’t care.” The crewmen who managed to escape their burning cruisers are being cared for by Palasian doctors.

Job Valador wrote:
You would find the truth to Rin's statement on her death to Odelya as well. Rin is not the best pilot in the world but I am sure she knows that her executioner would never have stood a chance to the SOE frig that Odelya brought and would not have picked a fight. That's just my opinion, biased as it is for the one I love but logical if you think about it.
Nobody questioned I attacked her first and knew that she stood no chance. Tell her to fix her overview. And to stop lying.

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#169 - 2013-12-26 00:04:30 UTC
Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#170 - 2013-12-26 00:14:04 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots.
She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#171 - 2013-12-26 00:32:24 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots.
She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.


She is a soldier with her priorities straight.

You are enlisted in the same militia, but you can't stop yourself from shooting your allies over slights to your ego.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#172 - 2013-12-26 01:14:20 UTC
I've skimmed over this, and so far all I've come to understand is that there's something about a sex tape and PIE Inc. refusing to use the proper titles with Ms. d'Hanguest because they think she's an indecent woman?

Is there a copy of this alleged sex tape I may have so that I can make my own determinations on this war as an interested third party with a professional curiosity?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#173 - 2013-12-26 02:26:05 UTC
I honestly cannot fathom why two adults engaging in consensual sexual acts, even if there was a leaked holoreel, would be the cause for anything.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#174 - 2013-12-26 03:43:31 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I honestly cannot fathom why two adults engaging in consensual sexual acts, even if there was a leaked holoreel, would be the cause for anything.

Some fetishes are best left private....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-12-26 04:30:29 UTC
I also require a copy of said material. Like they say, it's best to have an informed opinion about matters.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#176 - 2013-12-26 05:08:30 UTC
Well, everyone can look at the raw data and draw conclusions, but not every action shows up there, especially not pressure denying proper operations, so a more inside view would sate curiosity quite well.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Condor Amarr
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#177 - 2013-12-26 05:19:07 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
Her overview is fine. I set it up myself. It does not show fellow militia pilots on her fighting tab. She knew it was you but did not want to harm you. You wanted to harm her. If you are so intent on destroying Empire ships please do so under the Liberation forces flag. At least then it would be an accomplishment of sorts rather than betraying the trust of Empire pilots.
She didn't want to harm me! How heart-warming and affecting! She is a soldier and not a participant of a feel-at-ease-and-be-nice-class.



Whatever your argument was/is about with PIE, you just lost all credibility and respect when you decided to engage a member of your own Militia.

Well done on becoming "just another awoxer" and in the process, losing any credibility you had at taking the moral high ground.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#178 - 2013-12-26 11:19:36 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Well, everyone can look at the raw data and draw conclusions, but not every action shows up there, especially not pressure denying proper operations, so a more inside view would sate curiosity quite well.


Planetside business has done more to disrupt PIE's operations in the last month than this war has. Several of our officers, including myself, have not been able to participate in front line combat since before the new war started.

The Stormcrows have been running a small AF hunting squad for the most part, as you can see from the kill records. It is effective at taking out a similar number of PIE ships, which makes sense as it is tailor fit for that job, but It isn't really enough to affect PIE's operations in a meaningful way. The most disruptive thing they have done so far is managing to get a relatively new member in a bit of trouble for flying a garbage scow through high sec.





Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Anslo
Scope Works
#179 - 2013-12-26 14:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
You know what I find the most irritating in all this? The loudmouthed whore patronizing an organization cause she wasn't ******* spoken to properly.

I mean, what the actual ****? I was gonna keep quiet about this but no, **** it. I can't stand this loud mouthed uncredited bravado **** anymore. I'm ******* out of patience with it, and the 24muppets running from me and mine (yea i noticed you withdraw as soon as my crew is active).

Odelya. No one ******* cares. Put up or shut the **** up. Don't like what I'm saying? You seem tough enough to have PIE dec'd. Why not come shut me up you second rate porn star?

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#180 - 2013-12-26 15:18:21 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You know what I find the most irritating in all this? The loudmouthed ***** patronizing an organization cause she hwasn't ******* spoken to properly.

I mean, what the actual ****? I was gonna keep quiet about this but no, **** it. I can't stand this loud mother uncredited bravado **** anymore. I'm ******* out of patience with it, and the 24muppets running from me and mine (yea i noticed you withdraw as soon as my crew is active).

Odelya. No one ******* cares. Put up or shut the **** up. Don't like what I'm saying? You seem tough enough to have PIE dec'd. Why not come shut me up you second rate **** star?


I think it's time to set down the popcorn and order a steak; this just went from a park fair play to true dinner theater.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26