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Curiosity over Capsuleers and DUST mercs.

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Egil Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-11-19 00:55:41 UTC
We capsuleers use large neural scanners in our pods to be "immortal. Downside is that leaving the pod means shedding the immortality and being as prone as a baby laying around... just well protected by the best bodyguards ISK can buy.

DUST mercs have sleeper based implants that, somehow, can take the consciousness upon death and upload it to a new clone body, even if the implant itself or the brain is being eviscerated by a high velocity round or a well placed beam. Downside is the merc must be within range of the MCC. I think it was something about the process is different from capsuleer scanning that it doesn't go through fluid routers that well.

Is it possible for a capsuleer, for maybe a one time usage, buy a clone with a DUST merc implant and be able to leave their pod while still having immortality? Assuming they also shell out the ISK to buy an MCC and have maybe non-implant or even sleeper implant ready clones just in case. I could see it maybe for the few capsuleers who still have somewhat of a conscious and visit friends or family who are planet side... Or just want to deal with normal business in a station or somewhere outside the ship.

A side question: Can a capsuleer fall into a temporary mindlock or something? Maybe if they were shunted into a not so well graded clone for the capsuleer's given SP accrument, maybe a temporary mindlock occurs... since this is a mind of a giant size being thrown into a body that has less than capable "hardware"... Could be the temporary part is the body naturally adapting, rather slowly, to the increased space needed.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-11-19 01:50:33 UTC
Regarding the DUST/Capsuleer thing: Word of CCP is that the capsuleer and DUST implants are entirely incompatible and cannot be made to work together.

Regarding temporary mindlock: It is theoretically possible. The exact nature and mechanics of mindlock have not been discussed; so it is not clear if it is a psychological block of some kind, the brain failing to be able to correctly route messages to the rest of the body, or actual damage to the brain structure.

The first two options might be treatable somehow - psychological block by... psych-ey stuff, which I don't know much about, and the latter with an artificial implanted 'bridge' between brain and muscles.
Egil Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-11-19 02:27:37 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
Regarding the DUST/Capsuleer thing: Word of CCP is that the capsuleer and DUST implants are entirely incompatible and cannot be made to work together.

Regarding temporary mindlock: It is theoretically possible. The exact nature and mechanics of mindlock have not been discussed; so it is not clear if it is a psychological block of some kind, the brain failing to be able to correctly route messages to the rest of the body, or actual damage to the brain structure.

The first two options might be treatable somehow - psychological block by... psych-ey stuff, which I don't know much about, and the latter with an artificial implanted 'bridge' between brain and muscles.



Ah... well, I can only think of a very bad workaround, but it assumes that the scanner doesn't work if the implant is there, not if the capsuleer's mind just can't fit...

Basically, capsuleer... Let's call him Bob, buys a special clone with a Dust implant. He pods himself and wakes up in the Dust body. Now, Bob cannot interface with his ship and temporarily loses "Capsuleer" status. He must now kill himself while near an MCC to return to an implantless body graded for Capsuleer usage...

Or, if you rather not loose implants and assume clone jumping doesn't junk the original body and rather stores it, use the supposed longer time non-destructive scanner to jump into a DUST implanted body, mess around outside the pod as you are now unable to use it, and then jump or kill one's self and return to the stored Capsuleer compatible body.

Again, this is bad workaround logic that begs the question, really... but if it's possible, it could be the only way a capsuleer can keep immortality... by sacrificing their power temporarily for temporary outside pod safety from true death.
chaosjj
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-12-12 13:05:08 UTC
The Neurological anatomy of a Clone soldier is fundamentaly different than that of a capsuleer, (Dust clone brains have a 5th lobe that we don't have,) so our burn-scan data is different too, meaning that when the data is uploaded to the new body we would never wake up. other than that, consider the amount of knowledge that has to be transfered, We capsuleers posses the knowlege to operate kilometer-sized machines, while Dust soldiers, only need to know how handle equipment and vehicles. Dust implants are not able to transfer the amount of data our brains contain, ( especially Capsuleers with tens of millions of skillpoints. )
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#5 - 2013-12-25 23:42:33 UTC
There's some similarities between sleeper and jove tech as it's alleged that they have common origins, but not enough to allow cross compatibility, so for the moment no, but in the future as more r&d is conducted who knows?

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