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Mina Sebiestar

Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate

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#81 - 2013-12-24 07:03:34 UTC | Edited by: Mina Sebiestar

just got couple of laptops to send to my mum and sis and both of them have win8 as os

my gf think it is def better than win 7 because of tiles and stuff i for my self didn't rly found anything bad except initial confusion.

i don't like side pop up menu just to be able to shut the damn thing off because it don't want to respond always(non touch screen).and it seems i cant re-size windows so i can multitask stuff...but than again i used them just to enable my Norton 360 on both of them and basic setups ie 10 minutes top.

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#82 - 2013-12-24 07:46:28 UTC

Mina Sebiestar wrote:

You can't resize the metro applications (without a third party app)

All other applications can be dealt with as normal.

To shut down:

select the task bar. hit alt+f4, to get a shutdown screen.
or
On 8.1, win+x to get a menu to pop up, with a shutdown option on it (and a bunch of other handy options)
or
win+i to bring up the settings sidebar, so you can hit the power off option.

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Rhatar Khurin

Doomheim

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#83 - 2013-12-24 09:10:37 UTC

Hasikan Miallok wrote:

Emiko P'eng wrote:

Personally, after trying it during beta, I think windows 8 makes Windows ME and Vista look good it is that bad! Roll

All those are on the famous MS down cycle where marketing men and accountants have had too much say :D

MS consumer OS over the years:

Windows 98SE -------> GOOD
Windows ME ~~~~~~~> BAD
Windows XP ---------> GOOD
Windows Vista ~~~~~~> BAD
Windows 7 ----------> GOOD
Windows 8 ~~~~~~~~~> BAD

See the pattern ???

What about windows 2000?

Jaxon Grylls

Institute of Archaeology

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#84 - 2013-12-24 10:21:07 UTC | Edited by: Jaxon Grylls

I like Linux.

Probably not a popular thing to say in this thread but looking at the posts here and all the discussions of work-arounds, problems with Win 8.0, license restrictions, demands on memory, etc I'm glad I'm out of it.

No such problems with Linux, different challenges sure, but this is not a problem if you know what you are doing.

So if you are confident enough to install Windows from scratch, then you would have no problems at all with getting Linux on your box. It's all there, OS, apps, drivers are all in the distro you choose. I haven't installed Windows in a long time but have been told that in comparison, installing Linux is a doddle. Pop in the DVD and tick a few boxes and that's it. Linux Mint is reckoned to be the best distro for people moving over from Windows as it's an easy transition and is stable, has good performance and works out of the box.

Download it at:

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I know that I will definitely be ignored, probably flamed and personally insulted but I do feel that you deserve to know that you do have a choice and the best thing about Linux is that it's free. Both as in beer and as in no lock-in.

Oh, and last but not least, people using Linux have no trouble at all running EVE.

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#85 - 2013-12-24 10:25:41 UTC | Edited by: Steve Ronuken

Jaxon Grylls wrote:

Oh, and last but not least, people using Linux have no trouble at all running EVE.

Not quite true. Using Wine to run it can get painful at times. and it's completely unsupported by CCP, so if something happens, you may well get told 'sorry, we don't support that' and your ticket closed.

Linux on the server is good. I use it all the time.

Linux on the desktop is fine, for very specific tasks. Just not as a games machine (yet).

Oh, and as for comparing the installs: They're pretty much identical in ease. As long as you have hardware that's supported out of the box. If it's unusual, Windows will often be easier.

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Jaxon Grylls

Institute of Archaeology

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#86 - 2013-12-24 12:50:25 UTC

Steve Ronuken wrote:

There is always Playonlinux. which can be an easier way to get games running.

As it happens we do get some help from the devs even though Linux is not officially supported. I have personally.

I suppose that's because some of the devs use Linux themselves.

Linux folk help one another, they might not be polite about it, but they usually point you in the right direction. And after all, this is EVE so anyone here should have a thick skin anyway.

Sable Moran

Moran Light Industries

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#87 - 2013-12-24 13:17:30 UTC

Steve Ronuken wrote:

Linux on the desktop is fine, for very specific tasks.

My experience has shown that it's the other way around. Win and Linux both do just as well as general desktop machines. Then there are some specific things one or the other can not do or can not do well.

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Tanthos Tanthos Corp Likes received: 139	#88 - 2013-12-24 13:40:42 UTC Win 8 has its place - specifically, on convertible laptops. I love my Lenovo Yoga. Using it as a standard laptop to work, and then shifting to tablet mode to websurf, is great.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#89 - 2013-12-24 18:20:40 UTC | Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

LittleTerror wrote:

Pix Severus wrote:

Win8 is the new Vista is the new WinME.

As a PC user, I avoid Win8 because it forces clunky tablet features on what is supposed to be a desktop OS. I know I can "get around" those features, but why should I have to? Win7 does everything Win8 can do if you're a regular user/gamer anyway.

>implying you can't use your mouse just like in 7

oh wow...

memory management in windows 8 is awesome, there is no clunk...

What does the mouse have to do with anything? I'm genuinely curious, I use it for moving datafiles and selecting which window I want to have focus, but that's about it. Opening programs and positioning windows I use the windows key for.

EDITL: Just saw the linux posts. I love linux (hell I'm more comfotable in bash than dos), but I found learning to use wine to be painful. I removed windows from my laptop for two months, and while I learned a lot it was frustrating for gaming. I never did figure out how to configure wine, and while there are some cool linux native games, the selection is rather small. My favorite part about it was having perl installed by default.

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Jaxon Grylls

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#90 - 2013-12-25 09:28:15 UTC

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

EDITL: Just saw the linux posts. I love linux (hell I'm more comfotable in bash than dos), but I found learning to use wine to be painful. I removed windows from my laptop for two months, and while I learned a lot it was frustrating for gaming. I never did figure out how to configure wine, and while there are some cool linux native games, the selection is rather small. My favorite part about it was having perl installed by default.

True, Linux native games are thin on the ground, but as I said earlier Playonlinux works well. And don't forget Steam. Gabe Newell and co. are forging ahead with Steam OS, SteamBox etc, so should they ignore Linux for the games they host? I think not.

Congratulations on moving to Linux. You will know that it is not a scary as it is made out to be and folks there are more than willing to help.

Keep up the good work.

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Arsenic Malin

Doomheim

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#92 - 2013-12-25 14:25:05 UTC

Windows 8 can be tolerable if you use Classic Shell. But even then your left with flat colorless windows and dialog boxes and when you have a few open it's hard to tell where one begins and another ends.

Windows 7 and 8 are pretty much the same underlying os. Fact is they sucked up the desktop in Win8 so bad most people hate it, and metro apps are useless on a desktop, can you say desqview?

So all in all win8 has fallen in technology back to even before gui's. Win 2.1 wasn't this bad.

Arsenic Malin

Doomheim

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#93 - 2013-12-25 14:34:49 UTC

Mina Sebiestar wrote:

Yea, it's always more convenient to slap all your icons in one folder. It makes it much easier to find.

Do you do that with your documents, mp3 files, etc.

See how long it takes you to open control panel or find disk cleanup.

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tam19711 Barly Active Corporation Likes received: 0	#94 - 2013-12-25 14:53:41 UTC If I had worked for Microsoft I would have slapped Ballmer for bringing out windows 8.

Logan Revelore

Symbiotic Systems

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#95 - 2013-12-25 18:32:02 UTC

John Holt wrote:

I love xp. It's been such a stable operating system that I didn't even consider Vista or Windows 7 when they came out. But, all good things must come to an end. I'm thinking about going to Windows 8.

I've heard a lot about the OS. Mainly, that it keeps to many apps running in the background. I would like to know more about that.

I would also like to use a desktop like I do for xp.

After Word, Excel, and Powerpoint, EVE is most important to me. I am concerned that EVE is so wedded to directx9 and that makes me hesitate to even go to Windows 8.

What have been your experience with going to Windows 8 with EVE? How much RAM do you recommend? Should I go to 64bit or 32 bit OS? (I do have a 64bit dual core processor).

How much are you jury rigging Windows 8 to run EVE? I've heard you can emulate xp and use direct 9, but CCP is talking about a direct x 11 client. I'm so confused, lol. Help!

My recommendation is to avoid Windows 8 and instead go Windows 7, 64bit Pro.


Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems Likes received: 90	#96 - 2013-12-25 18:40:24 UTC LittleTerror wrote: The start button was always exactly there, they just added a little picture so you could comprehend... Just face it, you're alone in liking windows 8.

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#97 - 2013-12-25 21:16:25 UTC | Edited by: Steve Ronuken

Arsenic Malin wrote:

See how long it takes you to open control panel or find disk cleanup.

windows key. (or win+q)
type 'control'

hit enter as it finds control panel to open it.

same with disk cleanup. (the option is 'clear disk space by deleting unneccesary files.' typing disk cle is enough to match)

8.0 is a little harder than 8.1, as they added 'everything' search to 8.1. with 8.0, you might have to click on the setting option to see settings, rather than applications.

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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. Likes received: 18,382	#98 - 2013-12-25 21:28:20 UTC I have been very content with Windows 7. I find Windows 8 appallingly irritating "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

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Yokai Mitsuhide Doomheim Likes received: 7,094	#99 - 2013-12-25 21:47:33 UTC Logan Revelore wrote: LittleTerror wrote: The start button was always exactly there, they just added a little picture so you could comprehend... Just face it, you're alone in liking windows 8. I didn't care for it at first, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.