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Ship Cahnge during Duel
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AcHuRa MaSTeR
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-24 12:47:44 UTC
Hey,

I am dueling ppl sometimes and i am realy like it. But there is one negative thing about dueling.

I will explain it on real ingame sample which i faced.

I send duel invite to one guys which is using kestrel. He accept my challange then i start my combat modules on him. Then kestrel vanished. I thought he docked. After 2 sec. proteus comes out from nowhere and start shooting me. I manage to escape but WTF is that ?

Then i realize he change his ship on orca.

This is not fair, this is not acceptable. this is not fit for dueling.

I hought about it and find a solution.

Limited agression between two capsuleer (which is started from dueling invite) must be removed when player change ship, This solution gives player a chance to escape when the fight out of docking range. This is not fair. So there must be second rule While dueling agression continue, players won't be able to change ship on orca (or carrier etc) (player can change his ship in station)

Thanks for reading i hope this will be change and ppl not scare to send invite smaller ships.
P.S. Sory for bad english grammer :P
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#2 - 2013-12-24 13:58:20 UTC
Would it just not be the greatest thing if the Orca got the same flag the shipswapper has Twisted
Jureth22
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-12-24 15:38:40 UTC
please.you should be more worried about neutrals interfering with duel.
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#4 - 2013-12-24 16:47:36 UTC
Providing ship fitting services to someone in a duel should definitely deserve a suspect flag. It's remote assistance, just of a different sort.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-12-24 16:50:50 UTC
So was it Aspherical, Ace Gunnery, or one of the other ones in Jita?
Ooh was it Blue Ice?

Also the way to solve this is to make sure there isnt an orca just sitting there in the unaligned appearance
Beyond that tags would be fun as I would love to see them have to dock the orca fast.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2013-12-24 17:02:58 UTC
As always, this gets a "no" from me.

"Fairness" as a concept should not be mechanically enforced because the term is entirely subjective to begin with.

How did you Veterans start?
Shantetha
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-12-24 17:44:41 UTC
+1 vote for suspect flagging the orca or carrier used to reship.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2013-12-24 18:11:25 UTC
Suspect flag would be nice. Flat-out preventing this would be better.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#9 - 2013-12-24 18:21:53 UTC
I'd be happy with the orca going suspect, but flat out prevention would be too far imo.

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Big Girl Panties
Drunk Leprechauns
#10 - 2013-12-24 19:00:16 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
As always, this gets a "no" from me.

"Fairness" as a concept should not be mechanically enforced because the term is entirely subjective to begin with.

CCP disagrees with you, since anyone who remote assists a person with a limited engagement timer gets a suspect flag. If they weren't a fan of using mechanics for "fairness", they would not have messed with neutral RR on engagements.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2013-12-24 20:24:16 UTC
Big Girl Panties wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
As always, this gets a "no" from me.

"Fairness" as a concept should not be mechanically enforced because the term is entirely subjective to begin with.

CCP disagrees with you, since anyone who remote assists a person with a limited engagement timer gets a suspect flag. If they weren't a fan of using mechanics for "fairness", they would not have messed with neutral RR on engagements.

A suspect flag for giving remote repair assistance in a duel is not a "mechanical enforcement"... that's a penalty. A "mechanic enforcement" would be preventing anyone from RRing in the first place.

How did you Veterans start?
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#12 - 2013-12-24 21:36:38 UTC
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:
Would it just not be the greatest thing if the Orca got the same flag the shipswapper has Twisted



or at the very least do not allow ship swap when engaged in a duel.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#13 - 2013-12-24 21:37:42 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
I'd be happy with the orca going suspect, but flat out prevention would be too far imo.

it wouldnt, it is supposed to be a fair and.. *scoff* honourable duel between two pilots...

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Mascha Tzash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-12-25 01:09:20 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:

it wouldnt, it is supposed to be a fair and.. *scoff* honourable duel between two pilots...


Wouldn't that require the participants to drop out of their fleets (if they are in a fleet) to prevent boosting and stuff?
This would be truly an enforcement mechanic but on that would bring "honor" and "fairnes" to these fights.

If I got this wrong (the fleet stuff) please enlighten me with the correct information.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#15 - 2013-12-25 01:34:30 UTC
I'd thoroughly support suspect flagging the orca - in any trade hub, if it was out of docking range, can you imagine just how fast it'd melt?

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#16 - 2013-12-25 02:02:42 UTC
Wait til they start shooting back? Once they have a weapon timer they can't change ships. You messed up by committing to the fight too early rather than there being a problem with the rules.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#17 - 2013-12-25 02:39:11 UTC
Here's a good reason not to mess with the ability to reship during a duel: http://themittani.com/news/most-honourable-duel-highsec-nidhoggur-down

That said, if people are using Orcas and such to improve their dueling odds, I don't see any problem with suspect flagging those ships, same as if they were remote-repping.
Pipa Porto
#18 - 2013-12-25 03:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Seranova Farreach wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
I'd be happy with the orca going suspect, but flat out prevention would be too far imo.

it wouldnt, it is supposed to be a fair and.. *scoff* honourable duel between two pilots...



Where in the duel documentation does it say anything about "fair?"


Anyway, don't duel around orcas. Or let them redbox you first.

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-RubyPorto
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#19 - 2013-12-25 06:45:22 UTC
The problem is you misunderstand how an Orca can help someone reship.
They do not dock with the orca or use a fitting service on the orca to change ships.

The Orca drops an empty prefitted ship.
Anyone may enter this ship.
The pilot you were fighting ejected from his own ship, happened to get into the ship before you locked his pod, and you also failed to lock his now derelict ship that he was in previously.
The orca then scooped a random empty ship that has no owner.

At no point did the Orca pilot directly interact with the pilot in a duel.
At no point did he give specific aid to the pilot.
And you can stop him scooping the empty ship by locking it.
AcHuRa MaSTeR
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-25 07:26:01 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
The problem is you misunderstand how an Orca can help someone reship.
They do not dock with the orca or use a fitting service on the orca to change ships.

The Orca drops an empty prefitted ship.
Anyone may enter this ship.
The pilot you were fighting ejected from his own ship, happened to get into the ship before you locked his pod, and you also failed to lock his now derelict ship that he was in previously.
The orca then scooped a random empty ship that has no owner.

At no point did the Orca pilot directly interact with the pilot in a duel.
At no point did he give specific aid to the pilot.
And you can stop him scooping the empty ship by locking it.


If i understand you correctly u are wrong. You can change your ship instantly (if you warpscrl or anything on you, doesn't matter) from orcas shiphangar and your ship instantly dock into orcas ship hangar.
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