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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#181 - 2013-12-24 18:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
baltec1 wrote:


I dont buy it, CCP, as far as we can tell, have not changed anything to do with the impacted things and subacp fleets are getting along just fine with the same numbers involved.


What you can and can't tell doesn't matter at all, you couldn't tell that the code had changed and that your dread would siege and fire all its ammo and yet that actually happened. You couldn't tell that EVE had deleted your boot.ini file and yet thats what happened (everything ran great until you restarted your pc).

Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#182 - 2013-12-24 18:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Grath Telkin wrote:


What you can and can't tell doesn't matter at all, you couldn't tell that the code had changed and that your dread would siege and fire all its ammo and yet that actually happened. You couldn't tell that EVE had deleted your boot.ini file and yet thats what happened (everything ran great until you restarted your pc).

Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


We know that its not happening with the same sized subcap fleets that are not relying upon drones. This is only happening when our domi and slowclat fleets clash.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#183 - 2013-12-24 18:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


What you can and can't tell doesn't matter at all, you couldn't tell that the code had changed and that your dread would siege and fire all its ammo and yet that actually happened. You couldn't tell that EVE had deleted your boot.ini file and yet thats what happened (everything ran great until you restarted your pc).

Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


We know that its not happening with the same sized subcap fleets that are not relying upon drones. This is only happening when our domi and slowclat fleets clash.



Or when titans hit the grid

Or when fighterbombers hit the grid

Or when too many bombs get launched (though not this so much anymore)

Or when you shove every mong who will flock to your banner into the system.


So whats the point really, you break it or we break it, but somebody is going to break it, you're just mad the breaking it isn't going in your favor and that your human wave attack isn't doing what it was designed for.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#184 - 2013-12-24 18:33:55 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:

So whats the point really, you break it or we break it, but somebody is going to break it, you're just mad the breaking it isn't going in your favor and that your human wave attack isn't doing what it was designed for.


Its been a 50/50 split in who the node death favors. Hence why nobody but fools are trying to say this is deliberate.


If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not. The only difference is in the fleets we are now using and how long the fights are lasting. If the nodes were dying with every fleet fight you would have a point, but its only happening with the drone heavy fleets and always just after the first round of DD go off. I don't believe in coincidence.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#185 - 2013-12-24 19:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gary Bell
One..I just want to say I enjoyed this read lol..

Two..I can see where Grath is coming from in that none of us are CCP programmers.. I would like to point out that when we of course dont know for sure.. I would make an educated guess that the game rendering the drone models in space and there brackets and damage notifications and there damage calculations prob cause a little more load then gun fire..

But as the honorable Space Marshall Grath has pointed out these are just assumptions that we cannot back up with facts..

But the day will come when things fall into place and big things start to die.. And as usual PL will extract like they always do.. and Nulli will get bonked.. Cuz we all know NC. and PL besties forever, Nulli will implode and we in BL will be chilling like we always do..

Something always happens.. Always..

Especially when your FC makes you sit in 10 percent Tidi for 5 Hours a day for 3 months..

PS.. You know as well as the rest of us that you can match subcap numbers.. You just choose not to because you have 4 Jillion slows.. Hell when it was just BL in Sendaya you guys would drop 4 fleets on us everytime we undocked.. Now all the sudden they blob us hurff blurff.. You found something that works and your humping it.. Lets not try to play it off.. You have the current trump card and your using it..
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#186 - 2013-12-24 19:55:49 UTC
Rab See wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Definitely something the old DD could do something about. Boom... no more drones.


And just watch as TiDi disappears ...

Its one of the most stupid things that CCP seem to be ignoring. Slowcat is a lovely tactic, but its **** for the issue at hand.

200 Slows and 2000 sentries. I'm sorry - BUT GET YOU FINGER OUT CCP FFS - its Zombies'R'US with the playerbase taking part literally watching a movie while playing. Yes - I did exactly that.

If they cant see that this is one of the primary reasons things are breaking, one of the reasons FCs use it, knowing that the 'in/out' nature of the drones themselves causes massive fluctuations. Are they truly stupid? You dont need 2000 people to crack a server. Just a few hundred zombies and one person driving. Why the hell should CFC respond to it when they know its crucifying the server its being done on.

Solve this soon, how?

Without destroying the tactic. Drones on Carriers - make them deploy for a minimum of 2 minutes. Make them take 2 to return. Make returning them unabortable. Gives bombing and other tactics a chance. But it still makes carriers (non DPS uber logi) stay as DPS uber logi.

To destroying the tactic. You can only drone assist your squad leader. One person can only control 15 drones max. Anything to get away from making eve as crap as this.



Carriers shouldn't be able to return drones Roll because a minority of players are too chicken to use titans.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#187 - 2013-12-24 19:57:35 UTC
done assist is perfectly balanced

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-12-24 20:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
The lead designer of eve said he is working on fixing the lag by changing the way eve handles session changes, things like going from your ship to a pod, and drones being called in and out are all session changes, jumping through a gate, docking, opening a cyno, these session changes put extra load on the server. Unlike a modern game eves stackless python doesn't support more than 1 processor core, so they are at the limit in terms of processing power.

I suggested to CCP that they should look into getting liquid nitrogen cooled overclocked cpus to use in null sec areas & jita, a number of companies make servers that operate at higher frequency stable.

http://www.snotr.com/video/8911/8429GHz_overclocked

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#189 - 2013-12-24 20:11:15 UTC
Removed a personal attack and subsequent posts discussing it. Please stay civil, constructive, and on-topic.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2013-12-24 21:11:52 UTC
All I know is a full fleet of Domis dropping drones causes pretty significant jumps in lag. Full slowcat fleets undoubtedly more so. So the argument that drones don't cause lag is a tad preposterous.

I will say the node crashes are a mystery, and there's no basis of comparison by which we could say it's the drones definitively. Too many things have changed, within the code and also in tactics.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Prince Kobol
#191 - 2013-12-24 21:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
All I know is a full fleet of Domis dropping drones causes pretty significant jumps in lag. Full slowcat fleets undoubtedly more so. So the argument that drones don't cause lag is a tad preposterous.

I will say the node crashes are a mystery, and there's no basis of comparison by which we could say it's the drones definitively. Too many things have changed, within the code and also in tactics.


I would also say that drones contribute towards the lag as well, I doubt anybody would say differently.

The issue / narrative that some people are trying to push is that drones are causing node crashes which is not true.

Does the code behind drones need better optimizing, sure.

Does drone assist suck, I would say yes it does, that is my personal opinion and one which is not popular but there you go.

However I would also say that there is a under lying issue in the code base if 100 people in a station switching modules causing TiDi / Lag.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#192 - 2013-12-25 00:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Basically baltec has gotten to the point in the argument where he'll only believe its not the drones if CCP tells him its not the drones, but since they've already sated they've fixed the problem and have been known to lie or cover things up theres no way he'll ever believe a word CCP says.


tl;dr God himself could come down and show him directly but he still wouldn't believe it so he'll keep on believin what he's told to believe

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2013-12-25 00:31:12 UTC
Rubicon added mobile depots, mobile cyno jammers, and mobile tractor units. It's possible the mechanics involved take up a lot of cpu under high load.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#194 - 2013-12-25 00:49:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss.

There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms.
Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards.
We know what they're really saying.


You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro Roll

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2013-12-25 04:23:27 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss.

There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms.
Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards.
We know what they're really saying.


You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro Roll

What would titans have to do with them being OP or not?
Furthermore it'd be fairly trivial for slowcats to refit for DD tanking considering the Avatar and Erebus are by far the most common titans.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#196 - 2013-12-25 05:30:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss.

There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms.
Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards.
We know what they're really saying.


You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro Roll

What would titans have to do with them being OP or not?
Furthermore it'd be fairly trivial for slowcats to refit for DD tanking considering the Avatar and Erebus are by far the most common titans.

Basically, they're not enjoying eve enough and want some goon titan killmails

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2013-12-25 05:50:35 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss.

There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms.
Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards.
We know what they're really saying.


You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro Roll

What would titans have to do with them being OP or not?
Furthermore it'd be fairly trivial for slowcats to refit for DD tanking considering the Avatar and Erebus are by far the most common titans.

Basically, they're not enjoying eve enough and want some goon titan killmails


I mean I'm not picky, its christmas, i'll take anybodies titan kill mails.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#198 - 2013-12-25 06:36:38 UTC
I don't understand why people are just figuring out after archons have been in the game all these years that repairing each other and using drones is a good tactic?

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Rattman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#199 - 2013-12-25 07:41:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rattman
Zulu Death Mask wrote:

Is that why N3PL uses slowcats even when numbers are 1:1 ?
Is it because equal numbers are too large of a blob?


We are not here to make fun for you. We are here to make life as miserable as possible and we are succeeding. Life for the russians is miserable.

RUSRUS declared war on us, goons came into help them. I am very mixed at goons not deploying supers, on one hand I would love to kill them, but on the other hand by not deploying them they get no experience in flying / FCing them. Allows us to keep super cap dominance with out ever really having to deploy them
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#200 - 2013-12-25 08:41:03 UTC
Rattman wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:

Is that why N3PL uses slowcats even when numbers are 1:1 ?
Is it because equal numbers are too large of a blob?


We are not here to make fun for you. We are here to make life as miserable as possible and we are succeeding. Life for the russians is miserable.

RUSRUS declared war on us, goons came into help them. I am very mixed at goons not deploying supers, on one hand I would love to kill them, but on the other hand by not deploying them they get no experience in flying / FCing them. Allows us to keep super cap dominance with out ever really having to deploy them


Yeah I've noticed you keep on using caps/supers and keep on welping subcap fleets (when you don't run).
That way your FCs won't get any subcap experience :D Roll

You certainly aren't ruining my fun, it's just that I'd like EvE to be a more balanced/fun game in all its aspects.
You should know by now that there's pew pew fun to be had in all kinds of ways... sov warfare is not one of them ;)
But you keep at it.. you seem to be enjoying following PL everywhere ;)