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Third-party software Vs Ordinary Game play

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Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#1 - 2013-12-24 11:53:13 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
6 Conduct
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

So “when compared with ordinary Game play”
Let’s compare someone running 3 accounts solo using ordinary Game play and someone running 10 (this could easy be 16+and nothing realty changes) accounts running third-party software (i.e isboxer/innerspace)
The normal person can have 3 accounts because he is super nerdy he has 3 screens so he can see everything.
The person using running third-party software (i.e isboxer/innerspace) also has 3 screens but it does not really matter.
First test logging on:
Normal person:
Open launcher then use the drop down menu pick the correct account and then type the account password in then click enter then click play then wait maybe 2-3 seconds then click switch user account and do the same for the nest 2 accounts. Then use esc manu to go into the options and move the windows to which ever screen I would like them on then click which alt from each account I would like to log in.
Isboxer/Innerspace:
Click from a pre-set drop down menu in system tray and pick to load pre-set accounts in whatever configuration I need for that day. So like 2-3 mice clicks. Wait 10-20 secs as it loads everything.
(Isboxer will now auto load up 10 login screens all with the correct account details set all in the perfect places on your screens)
Then if broadcasting is already on click the password box on one of your accounts and type the account password once (or if your pro have a macro for the password) isboxer will then fill out the password on the other 9 accounts automatically and then hit enter.
With broadcasting still on and if you use the same set of alts on the accounts all the time you can just click on one for the main screen and isboxer will log the other 9 on aswell.
So that was click in system tray use dropdown menu and click. Use macro password then click return key then single mice click and you have 10 accounts online.

So nest we are going to join a fleet undock warp to a belt then start mining then after 3 mins we are going to warp to a stargaze jump to another system then warp to a station dock up then log off. Seems pretty easy.

Normal person ordinary Game play:
Probably the quickest way for the 3 account person (all alts in same corp) will be to just right click invite to fleet the 2 other accounts from corp chat from one the main account then click on the accept to fleet pop up on the other two accounts.
Then after waiting out the 5sec timer undock each account manually.
The Squad commander can use fleet warp (in game squad warping) to the belt.
He then has to manually lock each of the 3 accounts on to asteroids and start there mining laser’s one at a time.
Wait 3 minutes
In game squad warps to gate, manually clicks on the stare gate on and clicks jump one at a time.
Squad warps to station then clicks on station and then dock one at a time. Or if he was smart just clicking on the station after jumping the gate and clicking on warp to/dock but again one at a time.
Then one at a time logs off each of the 3 accounts.

Isboxer/Innerspace:
Terns broadcasting off (had it on to log in) 1 account makes premade fleet setup. And links fleet into corp chat.
Terns broadcasting back on joins fleet with all of them at the same time from the link in corp chat.
Undocks with all 10 accounts with one click.
Warps with all 10 accounts to belt with one click.
Locks asteroid with all 10 accounts with one click.
Starts mining with all 10 accounts with one click.
Waits 3 mins
Clicks on gate from overview and clicks warpto/jump with all 10 accounts with one click
Warps/Docks with all 10 accounts with one click
Logs off with all 10 accounts at the same time.

I don’t know how any one things this is ok.
There big differences between one person manually controlling multiple accounts and using third-party software to 100% mimic everything and to automate everything.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#2 - 2013-12-24 11:58:22 UTC
Dis somebody keep count of how many times this non-issue has come up?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3 - 2013-12-24 12:04:11 UTC
Confirmed: Crack makes you simple

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Tebizla
#4 - 2013-12-24 12:15:49 UTC
Oh dear ... Not this again ... *facepalm*

Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ...

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-12-24 13:05:12 UTC
Tebizla wrote:
Oh dear ... Not this again ... *facepalm*



Yes! It is. LolLolLol

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-12-24 13:08:50 UTC
Tappits wrote:

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play


"facilitate ... [snip] at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

multiboxing makes you slower then ordinary play, case closed, learn to read. tyvm

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stoicfaux
#7 - 2013-12-24 13:12:27 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Tappits wrote:

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play


"facilitate ... [snip] at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

multiboxing makes you slower then ordinary play, case closed, learn to read. tyvm

I wouldn't read too much into the "accelerated" clause. Macros are still a no-no even if you slow them down so they're slower than a human.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-12-24 13:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
stoicfaux wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Tappits wrote:

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play


"facilitate ... [snip] at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

multiboxing makes you slower then ordinary play, case closed, learn to read. tyvm

I wouldn't read too much into the "accelerated" clause. Macros are still a no-no even if you slow them down so they're slower than a human.



Wrong! Macros are allowed, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249 , unless you loop them of course, in which care you're botting.

Multiboxing is attended gameplay and each account is slower and less efficient then if the account was under individual control.

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stoicfaux
#9 - 2013-12-24 13:38:19 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

Wrong! Macros are allowed, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249 , unless you loop them of course, in which care you're botting.

Meh, not according to a petition I sent back in November. The question was whether you could run a macro at normal human speed (i.e. to avoid breaking the 'accelerated' clause,) and the answer was a "no" to 3rd party macros in general even at human speed.

/shrug

Plan B is to train a monkey to run level 4s in a passive, overtanked Rattlesnake with FoF missiles and T1 sentries. Monkeys aren't people so they shouldn't violate the 'account sharing' rule, but I should probably send in a petition to get a solid ruling on that.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#10 - 2013-12-24 13:45:16 UTC
This will be yet another thread, with people confusing automation with dupilcation and thinking their idea of normal game play, overides CCP's.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#11 - 2013-12-24 15:14:04 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
[quote=stoicfaux][quote=Sentamon]
Multiboxing is attended gameplay and each account is slower and less efficient then if the account was under individual control.



Wait ... in what way a ISBoxer guy is "slower" running Incursions or mining "slower"? (accelerated ISK generation)
Or probably even having to set up a gatecamp? The only thing that, right now, could slow down that player is a limitation through hardware or simply his internet speed.

Maybe you can convince me.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2013-12-24 15:20:49 UTC
ISBoxer threads are sooooooooooo 3 months ago.


Either whine about your Yule Lad gifts or GTFO.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-12-24 16:12:16 UTC
Did you really believe nobody else came up with this before you, OP?
Jamagh
Grand Violations
#14 - 2013-12-24 16:25:15 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Sentamon wrote:

Wrong! Macros are allowed, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249 , unless you loop them of course, in which care you're botting.

Meh, not according to a petition I sent back in November. The question was whether you could run a macro at normal human speed (i.e. to avoid breaking the 'accelerated' clause,) and the answer was a "no" to 3rd party macros in general even at human speed.

/shrug

Plan B is to train a monkey to run level 4s in a passive, overtanked Rattlesnake with FoF missiles and T1 sentries. Monkeys aren't people so they shouldn't violate the 'account sharing' rule, but I should probably send in a petition to get a solid ruling on that.





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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-12-24 16:58:12 UTC
Tappits wrote:

The normal person can have 3 accounts because he is super nerdy he has 3 screens so he can see everything.



Me sad.. Sad I use 3 accounts on a laptop in window mode and they all overlap.. does this mean I am not normal.. Cry
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-24 17:02:27 UTC
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
[quote=stoicfaux][quote=Sentamon]
Multiboxing is attended gameplay and each account is slower and less efficient then if the account was under individual control.



Wait ... in what way a ISBoxer guy is "slower" running Incursions or mining "slower"? (accelerated ISK generation)
Or probably even having to set up a gatecamp? The only thing that, right now, could slow down that player is a limitation through hardware or simply his internet speed.

Maybe you can convince me.
Two accounts are considered two pilots and not covered by this ruling. The acceleration that is being mentioned is about things like reaction time, keypresses in a rapid sequence, stuff like that. Two accounts are two pilots. Only players make an issue about people multiboxing as if it made a difference... but it doesn't. There is no difference between a real person teaming up with an alt or another real person, except that playing with an alt increases reaction time.

It's all written down. You haven't learned to properly read it, though.