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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-12-23 23:31:57 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
If it wasn't one thing that crashed the node it will be something else. These fights will just get larger and larger until the node dies.

If you want to fix node crashing, get rid of all the timer-based sov mechanics. Those are the root cause of giant blobbing.

So Sov changes every timezone because no one can.organize that many people across that many nationalities into a cohesive minuteman fighting force.

No timers, no fights. Only endless unopposed sov-flipping every 6 hours.


What?

I have no clue what you are really talking about. I just pointed out that the core reason behind blobbing were timers, forcing a giant showdown between two parties.

I'm confused how having a sov system devoid of timers would mandate that sov flips every 6 hours. Maybe a poorly designed sov system with no timers would behave that way.
Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-12-24 00:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Alice Ituin
Terranid Meester wrote:
That picture is a bombers wet dream?

Uhm.... no?
You would just barely scratch the paint on those archons with a bomb run. (and they would just recall/redeploy their drones)

Anyway...
Will be interesting to see how this war turns out.
The only real counter to the slowcat blob I can see atm are DD titans, but dropping titans on an enemy who expects you to do that would obviously be a really stupid move.

The whole drone thingy feels kinda broken, but thats something you can say about most nullsec "gameplay". (come to w-space! we have cookies!)
Srsly, BS sized weapons on a capital? Why CCP, why did you think this was a good idea?!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2013-12-24 00:23:44 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:


What?

I have no clue what you are really talking about. I just pointed out that the core reason behind blobbing were timers, forcing a giant showdown between two parties.

I'm confused how having a sov system devoid of timers would mandate that sov flips every 6 hours. Maybe a poorly designed sov system with no timers would behave that way.


Its not the timers, its the billions of HP people have to burn through when attacking sov structures.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2013-12-24 00:25:11 UTC
Alice Ituin wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
That picture is a bombers wet dream?

Uhm.... no?
You would just barely scratch the paint on those archons with a bomb run. (and they would just recall/redeploy their drones)

Anyway...
Will be interesting to see how this war turns out.
The only real counter to the slowcat blob I can see atm are DD titans, but dropping titans on an enemy who expects you to do that would obviously be a really stupid move.

The whole drone thingy feels kinda broken, but thats something you can say about most nullsec "gameplay". (come to w-space! we have cookies!)


The people running the slowcats also just happen to own the largest super/titan fleet.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2013-12-24 00:28:41 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
If it wasn't one thing that crashed the node it will be something else. These fights will just get larger and larger until the node dies.

If you want to fix node crashing, get rid of all the timer-based sov mechanics. Those are the root cause of giant blobbing.

So Sov changes every timezone because no one can.organize that many people across that many nationalities into a cohesive minuteman fighting force.

No timers, no fights. Only endless unopposed sov-flipping every 6 hours.


What?

I have no clue what you are really talking about. I just pointed out that the core reason behind blobbing were timers, forcing a giant showdown between two parties.

I'm confused how having a sov system devoid of timers would mandate that sov flips every 6 hours. Maybe a poorly designed sov system with no timers would behave that way.

if there are no timers, then everything can just be burned on the spot, meaning that an alliance will wait until their enemy si in their least active timezone, burn and take EVERYTHING, then lose it when they start logging off and the enxt alliance stronger in the next timezone takes their sov, repeat, repeat until people just stop caring about sov.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2013-12-24 00:35:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
That picture is a bombers wet dream?

Uhm.... no?
You would just barely scratch the paint on those archons with a bomb run. (and they would just recall/redeploy their drones)

Anyway...
Will be interesting to see how this war turns out.
The only real counter to the slowcat blob I can see atm are DD titans, but dropping titans on an enemy who expects you to do that would obviously be a really stupid move.

The whole drone thingy feels kinda broken, but thats something you can say about most nullsec "gameplay". (come to w-space! we have cookies!)


The people running the slowcats also just happen to own the largest super/titan fleet.

people keep complaining about how massed capitals are so game breaking.

but you know what, they ARE, and nerfing them to the point they are no longer game breaking would require them to be so nerfed that in anything LESS than the 200+ blob of them they lack the power to fight effectively against anything, support fleet or not.

lets face it, the fact that no one commited to any kind of serious war for YEARS (eviction fo the southern fucknuts, an eviction of TEST, dont really count, since majority of everyone involved was kinda dicking aroudn and it never escalated to an actual full deployment) is the REASON why there are so many.

if N3/CFC deployed caps for serious engagements more often instead of turtling up and waving dicks at eachother, neither side's super fleet would have grown nearly as large as it has.

Its like if America decided to nto go to war for 50 years, but still keep building ships/planes/tanks, when war DID erupt, assuming they have the military population to man all that equipment, it would be a war of just throwing as many numbers as you can into each battle, because tactics at that scale would become near meaningless, similar to what we have now.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#87 - 2013-12-24 07:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
that pic look like a spreadsheet i got bored just looking at it.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#88 - 2013-12-24 07:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Leigh Akiga
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
that pic look like a spreadsheet i got bored just looking at it.


Can you imagine the next Asakai or 6VDT pops off and CCP has a stream with 10k viewers going "Oooh and ahhh whats habbening..?", and all they see is two blobs sitting in bubbles not moving, surrounded by a cloud of drones What?

We used to shoot each other in ships flying in space with guns guys! What happened!!!
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#89 - 2013-12-24 08:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zulu Death Mask
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

if N3/CFC deployed caps for serious engagements more often instead of turtling up and waving dicks at eachother, neither side's super fleet would have grown nearly as large as it has.


Good post... and it's the same thing now... CFC won't use their caps/supers and N3/PL won't use them unless they have vast superiority and 250 slowcats on stanby (which evidently is exactly the same thing).


There's a counter to subcap blobs, there isn't one to capital blobs.

Hello CCP

(That's why we need a bomber with capital weapons \o/ !!)
Dextrome Thorphan
#90 - 2013-12-24 09:21:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Hmm… mini colour tags huh?
Why do you use those (no, honestly — I see them occasionally, but I don't see the advantage)?

The little squares at the bottom right of the bracket?

Yes. Why use small squares rather than the full bracket? Or is it just an eyes-going-bad-with-age thing?


How is looking at smaller squares better for your eyes? Makes no sense dude...
Anyway, some people just like to have it nice and tidy instead of big and chaotic.
Dextrome Thorphan
#91 - 2013-12-24 09:21:53 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
that pic look like a spreadsheet i got bored just looking at it.


Do you even know what a spreadsheet looks like?
Dextrome Thorphan
#92 - 2013-12-24 09:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Drone assist whine threads : Easier than coming up with a counter-tactic.


[snip]
[snap]
The tidi is ridiculous, so is the lack of kills in long-hour fights.

No fun allowed :(



Once upon a time we had node crashes with 50 v 50, then CCP upgraded.
A wee little bit later we had node crashes with 100 v 100, then CCP upgraded.
So small amount of time later we had node crashes with 200 v 200, then CCP upgraded.
Woe the seconds that flew by we had node crashes with 500 v 500, then CCP upgraded.
long live the system pilot cap at 750 and advanced notice of fights.
Then time went by and we had node crashes with 1000 v 1000.
All hail the TiDi to root out our nodes of evil and provide stability to all places.
And so the blobs of Sauron came and went as the ages past and the blob was once again found, by a Yule lad no less.
and now we have node crashes with 2000 v 2000....

If CCP upgrades now you will just bring more alts online and make it 4000 v 4000 crashing the node once more until ccp upgrades that.

No amount of upgrading or nerfing is going to be a better solution to the mentality of just drop in 2000 more raging brainless F1 randoms. What you should be asking for is CCP think of a solution where it is counter intuitive to blob and strategically important to spread out over multiple fronts / systems.

Break the mentality not the game.


Hmm I don't know about 2000v2000 o_O but even with only 300 people in system you get 50% tidi quite often. Make that 500 people in local and you're at 10% tidi -_- even if it's only 200v200 and the other 100 people are just randoms in system. So, I'm not too convinced about your numbers. Sure, the node might not crash untill there's actually 4000 people in system... but that still doesn't mean it will be playable with 500people...

I do agree however that CCP should think of a solution where it is counter intuitive to blob.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-12-24 09:51:09 UTC
all anyone posts about is how bad null is, null sucks, pve in null sucks, pvp in null sucks, eve online sucks. What doesn't suck?

Null Sec

A place with resources for people to mine, which no one wants to do anymore so the majority of the belts remain untouched, you have moons which you can mine, but they aren't as good now. You can gate camp all day, sounds like that is boring. You can go on roams and kill the few people left mining in null. When you're bored of that, you can post on the forums about how everyone in empire is a carebear coward for not jumping into you gate camp and dying, or coming into your space to mine and get ganked.

Then you have the elite pvpers who hate empire carebears, yet act like big babies when they have to defend 0.0 sov so they come up with unbeatable tactics to make everyone "hate" pvp, ccp please fix this its so unbalanced I can't win,nerf whatever I don't like.

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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#94 - 2013-12-24 09:54:11 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
all anyone posts about is how bad null is, null sucks, pve in null sucks, pvp in null sucks, eve online sucks. What doesn't suck?

Null Sec

A place with resources for people to mine, which no one wants to do anymore so the majority of the belts remain untouched, you have moons which you can mine, but they aren't as good now. You can gate camp all day, sounds like that is boring. You can go on roams and kill the few people left mining in null. When you're bored of that, you can post on the forums about how everyone in empire is a carebear coward for not jumping into you gate camp and dying, or coming into your space to mine and get ganked.

Then you have the elite pvpers who hate empire carebears, yet act like big babies when they have to defend 0.0 sov so they come up with unbeatable tactics to make everyone "hate" pvp, ccp please fix this its so unbalanced I can't win,nerf whatever I don't like.


Who said anything about Empire?
Please post in the correct topic.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-12-24 09:56:41 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
all anyone posts about is how bad null is, null sucks, pve in null sucks, pvp in null sucks, eve online sucks. What doesn't suck?

Null Sec

A place with resources for people to mine, which no one wants to do anymore so the majority of the belts remain untouched, you have moons which you can mine, but they aren't as good now. You can gate camp all day, sounds like that is boring. You can go on roams and kill the few people left mining in null. When you're bored of that, you can post on the forums about how everyone in empire is a carebear coward for not jumping into you gate camp and dying, or coming into your space to mine and get ganked.

Then you have the elite pvpers who hate empire carebears, yet act like big babies when they have to defend 0.0 sov so they come up with unbeatable tactics to make everyone "hate" pvp, ccp please fix this its so unbalanced I can't win,nerf whatever I don't like.


Who said anything about Empire?
Please post in the correct topic.


I am bringing empire into this

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-12-24 09:59:55 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss.

There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms.
Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards.
We know what they're really saying.


So, you are saying there is a counter available, you simply refuse to use it?
Well played sir, well played....


Why drop titans when you can ***** on the forums

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-12-24 10:05:06 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Drone assist whine threads : Easier than coming up with a counter-tactic.


I really don't care who wins and who loses.
I just care about having fun and abusing the **** out of the drone mechanic doesn't make the experience fun :(
The tidi is ridiculous, so is the lack of kills in long-hour fights.

No fun allowed :(



Null sec pvp is like killing an ihub in a fleet of rookie ships, what isn't fun about that. Think about all the conversations you can have with fellow fleet members, and the peer bonding experience within a social video game such as EvE. You can discuss a wide range of topics related to your fields of interest, maybe even get invited to parties in las vegas. Sounds to me like TiDi is the social experience CCP intended, immersion into the game is important, with Tidi you get to be immersed much longer.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2013-12-24 10:49:59 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Good post... and it's the same thing now... CFC won't use their caps/supers

Right, which is exactly why we're rolling out a dreadnought doctrine for the entire coalition.
We won't use our caps, so we're telling people to train a cap.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
iskflakes
#99 - 2013-12-24 10:55:02 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Good post... and it's the same thing now... CFC won't use their caps/supers

Right, which is exactly why we're rolling out a dreadnought doctrine for the entire coalition.
We won't use our caps, so we're telling people to train a cap.


If slowcats are countered by nags, which they are, and goonswarm is developing a nag fleet, which they are, why do I see 10 "nerf slowcat" threads every day? It seems like everything is working as intended (though drone assist could do with slightly more interaction).

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2013-12-24 10:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Something having a counter doesn't automatically make it balanced.
Also, 10 per day is a pretty strong exaggeration there.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)