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CEO Passed away and CCP won't help.

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Midori Tsu
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#21 - 2011-11-22 17:51:32 UTC
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.

-You assigned courier contracts to him.
-Accepted them
-He passed away

Is this what happened? y/n
Azurfale
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-11-23 00:57:35 UTC
Yes corp was moving, people had courier contracts assigned to him, he passed away.
Duke Hamilton1
Henson Inc. Minerals and Manufacturing
#23 - 2011-11-23 01:08:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Duke Hamilton1
Very sorry to hear about your loss. Only way to get around this would be if he left it in his will or last testament. CCP can't start DE-constructing accounts unless its in the persons wishes.
Would be interesting to see if CCP followed a persons will in this respect.
Anyway it all can be replaced in time.Sad
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#24 - 2011-11-23 01:51:40 UTC
The OP is right, the handling of CCP regarding this sad situation is despicable.

Also this puts my plans to corp infiltrate and then kill the CEO's on hold, as it seems to not be possible due to the stupid GMs.

Nyan

David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-11-23 02:18:12 UTC
post ccp a copy of the ceo's death certificate. maybe then they might believe you. otherwise your out of luck it would seem

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#26 - 2011-11-23 02:25:51 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
The OP is right, the handling of CCP regarding this sad situation is despicable.

Also this puts my plans to corp infiltrate and then kill the CEO's on hold, as it seems to not be possible due to the stupid GMs.


Ahem I used to dissapear from eve 6-9 months at a time.

And others knew about it.

What if I got reported as dead in that time frame what then?

I come back and find all of my stuff gone removed because somone claimed I was dead isnt a valid excuse to reposses something that clearly belonged to the person in question.

CCP took proper response and did the one thing that If I came back from my hiatus wouldnt surprise me if it where so that the CEO gets transfered.


How would you like if it your best friend knew you where going on a long business trip and tried to record you as dead. Would you like it if he stole all of your BPOs you privately owned?

Now the CEO holding onto the BPOs of the corp is a another manner but that is no different from CORP THEFT in a scenario such as this thus its allowed and further more TOUGH LUCK.

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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-11-23 02:26:17 UTC
Sorry but how does CCP know he actually died and you're not just scamming him on his vacation?

Sucks but if i could just say 'hey my ceo died gimme his stuffs' there wouldnt be many corporations left in eve

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-11-23 02:48:14 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Sorry but how does CCP know he actually died and you're not just scamming him on his vacation?

Sucks but if i could just say 'hey my ceo died gimme his stuffs' there wouldnt be many corporations left in eve


by contacting the account owner ? like via e-mail ???

Then finish it with following line

If you dont answer this email in *some time* we would consider *some action* as appropriate ..

f.e. ??

Either way its not like its impossible. Even if he is not, not responding to such email will actually cover the come-back rage.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-11-23 02:56:12 UTC
If you don't mind mind me asking, how did your CEO die and how did you find out?

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-11-23 02:57:48 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
If you don't mind mind me asking, how did your CEO die and how did you find out?


thats actually interesting question ...
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#31 - 2011-11-23 03:03:09 UTC
At a guess, RL friends play EVE?

At a second guess, family post on his Facebook?


Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it.

However *not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL* chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-11-23 03:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Caellach Marellus wrote:
At a guess, RL friends play EVE?

At a second guess, family post on his Facebook?


Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it.

However *not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL* chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top.


fair enough..

altho i wouldnt post death certificate of relative to some gaming company ? Sounds like a really bad joke if you ask me .

at my post28 sound like optimal approach, which will does not burden anyone, except CCP employee.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#33 - 2011-11-23 03:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
At a guess, RL friends play EVE?

At a second guess, family post on his Facebook?


Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it.

However *not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL* chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top.


fair enough..

altho i wouldnt post death certificate of relative to some gaming company ? Sounds like a really bad joke if you ask me .

at my post28 sound like optimal approach, which will does not burden anyone, except CCP employee.


You don't need to. On most countries a death certificate gets an entry into the obituary section of one or more newspapers. I'm pretty sure you can find that info on-line on official and reliable sources. A CEO of any small and up businesses its bound to appear on one.

Although you don't need to reveal your real name to CCP when you make an account.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#34 - 2011-11-23 03:09:45 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
At a guess, RL friends play EVE?

At a second guess, family post on his Facebook?


Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it.

However *not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL* chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top.


fair enough..

altho i wouldnt post death certificate of relative to some gaming company ? Sounds like a really bad joke if you ask me .

at my post28 sound like optimal approach, which will does not burden anyone, except CCP employee.



Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example.

He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc.


In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely.

Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-23 03:12:52 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:


Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example.

He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc.


In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely.

Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?


Well there is an really small chance of that happening. Make a poll how many people playing EVE goes on such "journey"

It is still there, but then well its simple CCP offer compensation to the injured party, lets say three PLEXes and life time ban for this shenanigan Big smile Yep CCP would be at loss there but chances are really really small.
Marlakh
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-11-23 03:14:23 UTC
I am sorry to hear of the OP's predicament. Of course, there's always the chance of it being a scam, but if not, my sincere condolences for his passing. This issue does remind me of an old concern and I'd like to share it.

Having been the CEO of a sov holding corp, I'd like to think of myself as having been a responsible leader (or at least tried to be). That means that I must not let my corp mates down like how the OP described, even in the event of my RL passing. Issues such as personal/corp assets, transfer of leadership roles, etc should not be left dangling even after the CEO's passing. Fine, joke about "Eve is Real" and that its a game, all you want. But I do feel that where real players' investments in time and effort are concerned, my responsibilites to them are equally real as well. I've actually considered leaving my login details and final instructions in my Will, but alas, the EULA and present game mechanics prevent a sure way of administering this during my term.

My suggestion, therefore, is to have CCP implement a Last Will and Testament mechanic, available as an option for every capsuleer. It can be in the form of a new tab, available under the Corporation button of the Neocom, allowing:

Arrow Players to specify the activation of any or all of the following actions after a pre-set date or period of time, if there is no response to a pre-set number of reminders to suspend the actions
Arrow Transfer of assets and isk to another specific player(s)
Arrow Transfer of CEO/Alliance Executor roles to another specific player(s)
Arrow Automatic broadcast of a certain message to the corp or alliance, or specific player(s)

While I believe this will be useful for the intent mentioned, it can also be a source of tears when such actions are forgotten and automatically carried out when the main player forgets to de-activate it and when a subscription runs out, or when the player becomes inactive. In which case, the onus is purely on the player himself and there will be delicious tears for us to all enjoy when a player loses all of his/her stuff due to neglect.

Any thoughts?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#37 - 2011-11-23 03:14:40 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example.

He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc.


In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely.

Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?


Well there is an really small chance of that happening. Make a poll how many people playing EVE goes on such "journey"

It is still there, but then well its simple CCP offer compensation to the injured party, lets say three PLEXes and life time ban for this shenanigan Big smile Yep CCP would be at loss there but chances are really really small.


It only needs to happen once for it to be a problem.

Any policy change to this effect needs to be foolproof, not to mention the fact you then need to explain to a potential f##k ton of people that you aren't really dead.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#38 - 2011-11-23 03:15:37 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?


You'd be surprised with how many fucks a bank gives to someone who died =)

My father passed away 7 years ago with an unpaid debt, and the bank still sends letters to my house asking him to pay up, and offering deals and such. Mind you, the bank isn't asking me or anyone else for that matter, its asking him

One time i even considered sending a note of "adress change" to the bank so that they would send the bills to the cemetery instead.. but i don't think the old man deserves to be bothered tbh

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2011-11-23 03:18:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:


Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example.

He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc.


In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely.

Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?


Well there is an really small chance of that happening. Make a poll how many people playing EVE goes on such "journey"

It is still there, but then well its simple CCP offer compensation to the injured party, lets say three PLEXes and life time ban for this shenanigan Big smile Yep CCP would be at loss there but chances are really really small.


It only needs to happen once for it to be a problem.

Any policy change to this effect needs to be foolproof, not to mention the fact you then need to explain to a potential f##k ton of people that you aren't really dead.



As i said risk assessment, chance that the former scenario will happen is next to non-existent. And if you dont answer the email its "yours" damn fault. The compensation is not an acknowledgment of the fault on CCP side, more so like solidarity from the CCP.

But i see the problem there.. .You are actually right. So simple answer from CCP to injured party : We dont give a **** you have been contacted, and therefore its your damn fault.

Since giving stuff to injured party will open doors for scammers. o.O like that make sense, but people are ****** so it could and probably would happen, considering the ussuall mind pattern of EVE players Shocked
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#40 - 2011-11-23 03:25:15 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?


You'd be surprised with how many fucks a bank gives to someone who died =)

My father passed away 7 years ago with an unpaid debt, and the bank still sends letters to my house asking him to pay up, and offering deals and such. Mind you, the bank isn't asking me or anyone else for that matter, its asking him

One time i even considered sending a note of "adress change" to the bank so that they would send the bills to the cemetery instead.. but i don't think the old man deserves to be bothered tbh


Holy **** that's terrible. I take it you've RTS'd the mail with a note saying "Recipient is deceased, please stop tormenting his family" or some sort, do it in a way that impliments them with the notion that they're harassing and tormenting a family over their loss and they'll backtrack pretty fast.

If they don't, take it to the media.


Anyway, the whole "Reply to this email or we transfer stuff/assume you're dead" etc is having terrible reprocussions in that other game™ where GM's are losing ownership of Guilds because they don't log in for a month.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

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