Warfare & Tactics

Well, I would argue that objective two COULD be successful.. when you consider the fact that the primary opponents are just other null-bloc blob fleets.

I too was surprised we didnt see a larger portion of TEST players. (It was clearly only a fraction of their alliance)

I also fully agree with the fact both sides "won" here. I just dont see where insulting them and saying they suck is accurate or in good character.

Nobody is gonna say (on either side) that JustK or Qcats arent good at pvp. Its what you guys do, and your good at it. Also keep in mind when saying that, that TEST ran a good portion of the sov map for quite some time. Their strengths may not be in frig and dessy fights, but thats what FW is about. So maybe they could not match the small gang prowess. That means they suck?

Im not worried about it. You guys are my entertainment while I watch the clock tick by at work. Do your best.

Relax. No one is taking your system. So don't get all riled up now. We want you to build your forces and confidence up a bit. No point in taking it and killing your confidence.

An example of us keeping true to this spirit:

That's why in last nights fight against your 20 man armor cruiser gang, the FC only wanted to kill 1 of your 3 logi and then go for DPS thus allowing your inexperienced armor logi pilots to gain confidence and skills AND allowing the fight continue for another 5 minutes. I know Templis is getting its feet wet with brawling doctrines so we didn't want to kill your confidence. If we killed off all logi in the beginning, then you would've bailed, lost some confidence and cried blob again despite it was us being outnumbered.

But now, you got a GF. Our side got a GF.

But most importantly, you build up the confidence in brawling. See how the JUSTK spirit of giving works :)

Oh no... No lord or savior here. I think Khan Farshatok took that title during his first inception in FW before the late unpleasantness and return to WH Space to return to FW to return to Null to...

Something like that.

No. We'll just be happy to hang out in Innia and have some PVP on demand with our friends on the other side.

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As a CalMil pilot I'm going to say a few words here. And yes I am ** posting on an alt for the primary reason of having serious ties to other corps and alliances that need not get dragged into this by association.

TEST straight up ruined FW on the Caldari side for the last few months and I am so glad to see the door hitting them in the ass. With the exception of a select few they are terrible players with ****-poor organization and fleet command. This should clearly be evidenced by them going from sov alliance to FW alliance. This is the equivalent of Tom Cruise going from movie star to extra in a tampon commercial.

Furthermore, taking a frigate fleet into Eha and trying to run Bantam logi in a 12 man fleet... I've said enough. Gallente play to win, they play to kill, they play for fun. TEST plays to hide in novice plexes afraid to go fight and spam local with proof that most of them have less maturity then my 4th grade students. I've been on countless TEST fleets (simply because anyone that isn't in TEST who tries to FC gets 3 recruits that have been in militia for 2 days) much to my annoyance and the most common phrases I heard are; "We aren't leaving this novice to fight them we are only fighting things that come in" (mind you they have have at least 20 people inside and 1 dessie on the gate hoping for a fight), and secondly, "If you have a Yuri kill post the mail in local!!!11one". All the while I keep watching fleet member after member get caught and killed because they weren't with the fleet. 20 people hiding in a novice while a Slicer tackles someone and they are either so incompetent that don't go help or terrified that it's bait for a real fight and cower away.

On a final note before I finish this wall of text, one has to but look at the kill statistics to know the truth of the matter. Gallente has consistently gotten more kills per week with often times double the amount. To compound that, as of this moment Caldari has 9087 pilots and Gallente has 5007. Gallente is considerably more organized and not afraid to lose a ship that isn't a Kestrel or Merlin. If TEST is making so much money why are they so opposed to running a cruiser doctrine, better yet HACs, or if they really wanted to get some good experience for the FC's maybe undock some slowcats or at least a sentry domi fleet and go sit on the Nenn gates/undock? And I'm not talking about ihub flipping. Nobody does that in frigates for a reason. Personally I'm really pissed that TEST is leaving because I started the logistics of getting all my crap out of Caldari space a week ago so I could go join GalMil to pubstomp TEST and revel in it.

TL;DR - TEST was bad in null, bad in FW, and will be bad in Vale. Skills win fights and to do that you need to train members and FC's that know how to herd retards quickly and effectively. TEST doesn't have them and won't have them without major house cleaning.

P.S. to TEST - Spamming local is not effective for anything but making you look stupid. If you want to be taken seriously try acting like grown ups. Good riddance.

Yeah pretty much. I can confirm all the Yuri losses they post in local to try to anger him. LOL




Now in fairness to TEST + friends (BORG, Templis, etc...), they bring out such huge fleets (40+) that Gallente simply do not have the manpower to fight them. It would take us too long to form a proper counter so no one bothers. Now some of the pirate alliances that come out on the weekends (SCUM, SNUFF, BALEX) have the size but I haven't seen Calmil blob fleets want to fight them. So that is their opportunity to fight proper and competent gangs while giving all pilots and FCs good small gang experience that doesn't involve a plex fight. Instead, and like you said, they bring 30 merlins into a small plex thinking the 5 pilots in Eha is going to fight them.

I have talked to a few Caldari pilots and we both agree that the one problem with the bulk of Calmil balling up into one system (Innia) is that it actually ruined the multiple small fleet opportunities that occur at the 5-10 man size. No Gallente alliance or corp can take an entire coalition at the 40+ man size without advance notice. The irony is that so many Caldari corps moved to Innia looking for action, but it had the opposite effect. Spread out a bit more amongst multiple systems and you'll find better small gang action.

Maybe, maybe not. They made some isk, but from everything I've seen, not exactly a **** off amount. At varying times and between in-game/forum/other I've seen TEST announce a lot of goals, from making isk to generally getting better at pvp, and declarations of intent to take Gall home systems.

Eha was the most violent system in Eve outside of Hi-sec for the last week of October, the entirety of November and the first week and a half of December. Round the clock at a minimum 20 man gangs running plexes in one system is not "trying to make isk" its called trying to kick someone out, namely Galmill. There were fights in Eha where TEST, unable to deal with sniper Corms and Kestrels, resorted to warping massed numbers of destroyers in and out of the plex. The idea being we simply couldn't kill them quickly enough before the timer ran down. We would kill dozens of them and still lose the plex. Again, that is not about making isk or 'gf' its about taking an objective. Local spewed forth with combined BORG/TEST propoganda with FCs proclaiming Ehas fall before thanksgiving day.

Yet after thousands upon thousands of destroyed Calmill ships in Eha, I should swallow "hah we were here for isk"? Please

All good fun in the end, but I feel for the average line member of TEST. They could have used this chance to improve the average players ability, small gangs plexing around the WZ would have made them more isk and improved their FCs and players. Instead they settled for turbo blobs running one plex at a time in Gall home systems, neither the best way to make isk, or improve your pvp, so it was confusing all round really.

I mean, how does extreme blobbing of low-sec 'scrubs' help an alliance get ready for null? How was lack of isk what got them evicted from null in the first place? And Gallmill are supposed to have missed the forest for the trees? I'd be ropable with leadership if it was my alliance personally.

archons by spring?

Farewell TEST and, as someone already said, good riddance.

See ya later, Sh*tlords