Warfare & Tactics

Slicer
Rail Harpy

I'm not asking for ships better than a Condor but for situations where LML are not better than SLRT.

And I repeat : I'm not saying SLRT are bad, they aren't ; they are pretty good in fact and very usable. But I don't see a situation where LML wouldn't be better.

Indeed arties have their alpha to alpha things ; yet LM are the second best alpha small weapon and a Talwar or Corax have an amazing alpha strike, not far from the Thrasher.

LM destroyers or AF can hit at ranges close from what a Cormorant or Rail Harpy can without the trouble at short range and with more tank. Of course, for sniping the instant damage is an advantage, but to me it's not a lot.

PS : And the Maulus do its things with TD and drones a lot more than with railguns.

Ever try to kill a boosted ab dram with a rail atron?

And "they are ok because they are bad at hitting extremelly fast frigates with links" is a very dumb argument.



You are not very intellectually gifted and you also seem to be bad at pvp, the two might be related.

As strange at it might seem i don't base my arguements on the power of weapons on weither i have been killed by said weapon system or not. I do it with comparing it to other weapons in the same class, you know, the other kiting weapons. I know this might be difficult to comprehend but anecdotal evidence is not a very good basis for balance arguements.

The fact of the matter is that lml's outclass small rails, beams and arties in pretty much every way. They have a really easy time applying damage (compared to beams, rails and arties) they do good damage, on some ships they have selectable damage types, amazing.. AMAZING range and you don't have to worry about transversal at all. You can just press f1 and then focus on not getting caught. While with the other weapons you will be doing a bunch of tricky flying just to apply dps.

(Now you might think this was a bit harsh.. but you insinuated that i was a roleplayer.. which is extremely insulting <.<)

Blasphemy.

In the sense that they will do significantly more DPS at that range than any lml based frigate. It will be better at killing off ships before backup arrives for instance.

Yes those ships make decent lml kiters, but within long point range a slicer or rail harpy will still out damage them, as well as allow for fitting a better tank due to the fact that t2 launcher fitting requirements are pretty demanding. LMLs are definitely easier to use, but within point range there are better options for dealing damage.

Also I've never seen an lml hawk used, got a fit?

Snarpy and Sniper Corms are both better with rails than any LML ship at their designed function (and it isn't just the instadamage, though that does matter).

Yeah but they normally aren't fit with rails...

That's wrong. LML on a Hawk leave more room than 150mm railguns on a Harpy (and 150mm rails asks more PG AND CPU). LML Hawk reach 148dps with one BCS and one damage rig with precision missiles. If the target s tackled you can load fury for 200dps@45km.

I don't see much LML Hawk, but I don't know why actually. Maybe because the roquet Hawk is already stupidly effective. I don't see much railguns Harpy BTW, maybe because AF are not that fast to kite.

As for the Slicer, he is a bit short in range compared to LM, and the Hookbill might fall a bit short in dps compared to him or need to use navy ammo with less damage application against AB target. You have this. That's not a lot IMO.

Destroyers seem to work better and more reliable with rails/arty than with lmls. Non tracking bonused frigs are not good at turret kiting, firetail and comet can do it nicely. A fast incursus ( or doublewebmerlin <3 ) can surprise one nastily for scramrange kiting.
Beams seem to be bad though.