EVE General Discussion

Win8 is what happens when Microsoft buys into Apple's hype without realising the pragmatic considerations, or the carefully studied HMI design choices behind them, that lie hidden underneath that layer of hype.

Win8 is a great OS with an in every way atrocious UI that is based behind the flawed idea that “post-PC” means that modern PCs shouldn't be designed around being modern PCs. If you can wait or survive until 8.2, when they fix that UI so they can actually sell the OS to their core customer base, then by all means go for Win8. If not, you'll not miss out on anything important by going for Win7.

You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "clunky". When something is clunky, it is unintuitive, a chore to use, and unnecessarily slows you down. Having to slog through a fullscreen menu system just to do something simple is almost the perfect definition of "clunky".

The power users on this board know what I'm talking about.

IT Business systems Analyst and Network engineer here.

I recommend at least 8GB of ram and definitely go 64bit OS.

32bit OS are Obsolete and much easier to compromise for malware and viruses due to how memory is addressed by a computer.

Also PC hardware performance has accelerated to the point where using a 32bit operating system with modern PC hardware actually makes your PC less secure.

In 32bit OS the usable memory space is much smaller than 64bit OS versions and most programs are designed to function within a certain range memory space.

Hostile malware and virus applications that are designed to exploit a software vulnerability in computer software (this could be any program including the operating system software) need to be designed to locate the memory address of the vulnerable code for the intended "hack" to succeed.

With 64bit operating systems and supporting hardware this task is much much more difficult because the address ranges used for 64bit operating systems are exponentially larger.

A Simple logical example and comparison could be describing the address range a 32bit OS uses as the english alphabet and the memory address range of a 64bit os as every written Chinese language with Arabic and hexadecimal combined

If your the virus try locating the correct vulnerable phrase of the combined Chinese, Arabic and hexadecimal Alphabets. This might take you much longer i think

There's a great news article I read probably from slashdot within the last six months supporting this logic that 32bit operating systems have been made obsolete due to the performance of pc hardware making 32bit software easier to compromise due to malware being able to utilize the increases in PC performance.

Also stay far far away from windows 8. It's just bad in every single way imaginable

Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation

If that's not enough good reason just listen to Francis.

The win8 start button takes you to that horrific app interface ... wonderful things for anyone with a big screen, they all run full screen only and even then only in massive fonts and you have to swipe to swap between them.

Win8.1 added a right click menu to the start with one click access to control panel and shutting down and a few other features. An improvement but still not that useful.

Win8.2 I have no idea about.



Then you have the way 8.1 makes you jump through hoops to actually have a normal login as it tries to trick users into logging in to the PC with a NSA approved MS account linked to the app store. Really useful on corporate networks MS ... not


and ... sure Apple stuff can be almost as bad ... but Apples come in funky designs and have fanbois more akin to religious nutters so Apple can get away with it.

Windows 7 for EVE, Linux Mint for everything else.

If someone uses the Windows 8 interface to look for nudie pictures, would that make them a metrosexual?

Windows 8 is pretty much windows 7 with less of the wizzy graphics shite. So no 3d alt tabbing, etc. You get metro, but you don't have to use it. My win 8 install performs much better than win 7, on exactly the same machine. It only runs apps in the background if you don;t bother actually closing them. It's the equivalent of minimising in win xp then going "hey! why are you still running!"

This is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written, thus worthy of a triple post. There are a couple of ancient exploits that utilised address space vulnerabilities, but almost all modern day malware will thrive just as easily on a 64 bit machine. In fact, due to the popularity of 64 bit machines, it's more likely that malware would be designed specifically to work on 64 bit machines.

32bit an 64bit are much of a muchness, though people will cry and argue all sorts of different things. The realism of it though is this:
A 32 bit machine can only address ~4GB of memory (note this is not just RAM. If you have a 1GB graphics card, you can only address ~3GB of RAM). This means no matter how many trillions of GB of RAM you put in a machine, a 32 bit machine will never use more than ~4GB of it. 64bit machines can address multiple petabytes of memory, so you are unlikely to find a motherboard able to fit enough ram to reach that limit.

So in short < 4GB VRAM + RAM = 32 bit is fine. > 4GB VRAM + RAM = 64 bit required.

lol... Win8.1 better how??
Wind8.2 almost where? Almost as good as win7? You're acting like that's a good thing...

I've been using windows 8.1 for a while now and don't have any major gripes. To be honest for what I use it for it's fine.

I have it set to boot to desktop rather than the touch display so don't even see it.

I'd say either 7 or 8 unless there is something specific you're after it's no bother which you choose.

Install Windows 7 64 bit.

It's pretty much the best long term solution for Windows Desktop and i'm saying this while typing in Windows 8.1. It's a solid operating system that will never go obsolete gaming-wise, at least not while desktop PCs still exist. More secure and stable than XP.

The only thing i like about windows 8 is the new system builder license that they offer that allows you to basically buy Windows 8 once as a private person and take it off a computer and install it on the next as many times as you like. A huge improvement over the old OEM terms.

If you do get Windows 8 installing Classic Shell or another shell replacement is pretty much considered a must on desktops and it makes your system useable and ALMOST like 7. But the start menu still looks a little worse, it doesn't have that pretty Aero style for it's GUI and it's still annoying when you double click on an item and it throws you into full screen mode for no reason.

As for Windows 8 apps, there's not a single one that i found a must and most of the unofficial stuff in the store is totally mediocre crap.