Missions & Complexes

Well it is super repetitive and multi boxing 3 hulls over the grid is actually a lot more chill than FCing 10-24 other guys.



Well GW 2 has something like it with the public events where people simply get sucked in by global events and play together for 10-30 minutes till they head her own ways again. As for raiding, in my opinion(having done Incs for 2.5 years as logi, dps and FC and serious HC raiding for about 1 year, doing dps, healer, raid leader in some cases) the concept is fairly different. You don't do HC raiding(everything else is similar to Incs, go in press some buttons, get stuff) for the gear(because there is no other content in the game that requires the gear you get and once you can do HC modes, you already do the hardest stuff the game has to offer with the gear you got). You do it for the MMO experience and because earning something after hours of wipes and by improving to play together to a level where your hole raid plays together like a clockwork is actually quite satisfying, especially if you still stand while the 80% of the raid is already dead and the raid leader counts down the last 3% of the boss and everybody starts screaming on coms once the message with the achievement flashes over the screen. The reason this moment is so much better than to get the LFR notification is because it takes so much effort, time, conflict with other people, learning to adept and play together, rage and luck that the moment it happens for the first time has something magical.

I still remember being in a spot to make hard choices, like choosing between the last other healer and the last standing tank(not enough mana/time to save both), while being nearly out of mana, with only 4 out of 10 people still standing, the boss at 2% and somebody counting down the last 20s before enrage(with a bit of bitching of the other healer that just died in between ). God the hole evening with this raid was terrible(it was miles worse than the raids I did with my guild, it wasn't even HC mode but the failings of other people made it very challenging), however this very moment when the boss went down while I and the backup tank where the last 2 people standing, burning every kind of resource I had to work with to reach this point, then you have a small moment, that makes all the stress, pain, itching in your left hand and rage go away and everything does look like time well spend(even if that damn wife of the raid leader that you just out healed by 200% the hole evening, with a 2 weeks old char that was 30 item levels behind, gets the item you need).

Incursion as it is, is a lot more casual and in the end just multi player grid that got/is so easy that only has very rare moments where you actually have the feeling of archivement(as if you beet ISN with a kitchensink TDF gang as FC by better site timing in a OTA or saving a Leroy by solo logi a OTA in a Guardian, putting you cap management ability's to a very serious test).

@OP 2.5 years ago, I had a Inc right in my L4 system, so I did grab a logi and actually had a blast, meeting a lot of cool people, having a lot of fun, rage and sometimes even the small moments that make it worth playing MMOs. You should try this to some day, while playing MMOs.

You cannot compare EVE content to other MMO content. The fact that dying in Eve has far worse consequences than running back from the nearest town makes it impossible to have "challenging" content as the one you describe. In Eve, if 80% of the group dies to get the loot, the loot has to cover for the price of these 80 % of loss. If you cant see the problem here, get a pair of glasses.

Yup, sure, every other MMO out there has you losing all your stuff when you die. You had high end purple gear, now you got nothing. If you're rich enough not to care about ship losses, then why would you even do incursions ? Why would you even PVE ? Go PVP and be done with it, you will get your challenge.
For the rest of us, losing tens of hours of play that we spent to buy hulls and modules is far worse than losing realm points or having to go to your tomb to pray to get back some lost XP or whatever crap other MMO got.
Plus you dont get any resurection in Eve either. So I stand my ground, If you want deadlier challenges, go PVP, pve in Eve cannot be geared to kill well prepared players, the cost of balancing risk and reward would be way to high.

Yeah, it's called being in a corp :p I guess that never occured to the OP.