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The first version went either way but at the cost of no damage bonus for either system making it less effective then other tier 3's.
Rail, and Torp is viable. But torp needed more external assistance in painters or webs then the others. Although they are all Fleet built ships, Torps just needed more help.

Both complaints for either system is valid for the race. Yet keeping in line with the tier 3 motif of BIG guns. We have hybrid.
Maybe some day we will get a pirate missile version like Gurista for the first ever pilotable pirate BC. Yet who would possibly cough up that kinda dough unless it had real tank but, i digress...

by the time you crawl into torp range im sure one would be dead by the targets attending fleet, they aint to hard to kill with smaller ships.

As far as I can tell they want to continue to give Caldari nothing to do with their missile skills.

Patch was not worth the wait for mediocore ships and art.

Could've made it cruise missiles...

Yup, they could have done this

The other options could have been

1) damage buff so less damage mods were needed

2) target painter buff so less target painters were needed ( 2 tps being max)

3) Torp flight time buff so they travelled much faster, thus much more effective against frigs and cruisers (possibly at the cost of flight time) or use flight time to increase the range

4) maybe a web range bonus

5) Just make it a damn cruise missile boat....sheesh


Seriously though, CCP should be well aware that there are serveral players in Eve (like me) that have little to no turret skills.

It's going to take me a month at least to become proficient in large hybrids just to pilot a ship I already have the skills for.

This sux and is a major disapointment to missile boaters.

Uh... When CCP finally gets the missiles balanced for PvP use, there will not be a battlecruiser hull which can equip the large weapons unlike the other 3 systems. This seems like a valid reason to want it as a missile boat.

Of course at the moment the rails are better. And it's a correct choice to have it as a single-weapon platform rather than two completely exclusive bonii which would make it subpar no matter how it's fit.

With missiles it would be lolPvP and PvE now with a chance of being good in the future. As a railboat it has a decent punch now and a decent punch in the future. Given the current situation with unsatisfied players the choice is obvious, sadly.

Original design of the Naga that everyone has seen before it hit the test server was that it was going to be versatile allowing for the fitting of torps and/or hybrids.


Oh, and just cause you're too lazy to train missiles to fly the Naga, doesn't mean that missile pilots should be punished and have no meta 3 bc option.

Besides, even if the Naga were purely a missile boat, you still have 3 other options to use turrets. We would only have one.

However, if they make the naga the way it was originally meant to be allowing turrets and missiles, then you'll have 4 options, where as we will still only have 1.

It's not laziness. It's a matter of having a choice. I like missiles, you like turrets. How come we don't get missiles, but you get 4 with turrets?

We get that it's a good snip boat. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have a missile boat option.

I have little to no turret skills, but have focused over 6 mil sp into missiles.

I prefer missiles, I enjoy missiles, and man do torps look pretty when they go off.

I want a missile boat option because it's what I prefer...Not because I think they're better.

The problem is that most of this hybrid platforms are particular bad compared to the missile ships and ships of other races outside sniping at very high ranges. That isn't particular useful atm, and even was rather meh in any kind of mixed gang, since you can't play out the range advantage properly.

This has nothing to do with the difference between mega and domi, both have working concepts they are build around(even if CCP broke the one for the mega big time 3 years ago).

It is kind of bad if you build the naga around the role other ships should already fill but fail at it in practical game play. Btw I got 14M SP on this char just in gunnery, this isn't the decision about guns vs missiles to me but the decision about a fast and agile high DPS skirmish torp ship or "Hey another rail sniper, now this is something the caldari lineup lacks".

Yes, there is a viable option for a missile boat in the range of battleships, Even though the Raven really isn't an affective pvp ship.

The drake on the other hand is not a viable pvp ship because it has high dps through missiles, it's popular because it can tank the dps of another target until they're capped out.

However, there is not gank option in the range of missile boats apart from stealth bombers.

We need another option for a missile boat.

My suggest...If missiles are such an issue to balance in pvp because of the speed in which they travel, there's a simple solution.

First, dramatically increase their velocity
Second, dramatically decrease their flight time.
Third, balacing if any issues are caused.

Doing so will mean that missiles travel much faster, but still have to travel, and still travel the same distance.

I'm going to make up numbers here, so bear with me.

We'll just say a torp goes 6000 m/s for 5 seconds, giving it 30km range.

First, increase velocity - 15000 m/s
Second, reduce flight time - 2 seconds

So with one and two you're getting the same distance, just with a much more effective velocity, making them more pvp viable.

Third, balancing - This can come in the manner of explosion radius and velocity. Due to the speed at which the missiles are traveling, they'll be able to hit a target much quicker and much more effectively, I'm not sure explosion radius would be the way to fix it, because it means missile pilots will need more target painters. However, reducing the explosion velocity may help.

Doing this will mean that missiles are a much more viable pvp option, but still have to travel, and the speed of the target still effects this.

There may have to be an addition of some other type of penalty on missiles to balance it a little better, such as a penetration effect or something.