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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#141 - 2013-12-22 16:54:07 UTC
I rat in null sec and have never had this problem.

Mobile Tractor Units have increased my isk/hour quite nicely. Here's my calculations:

1x hub = 26m isk in ~14 minutes (including time warping to the next one)
salvage 1x hub in destroyer after MTU does the work = ~10-15m isk in 3 minutes

so, 4x hubs in an hour would net ~104m

or

3x hubs = 78m isk
plus
3x salvaged hubs = ~30-45m isk

=108-125m isk per hour

Not bad


Maybe you should stop expecting risk-free isk?

For the record, I doubt CCP will adjust this, whether intended or not, it creates content, and like every type of pvp in hisec, is 100% avoidable, so why are you complaining?

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#142 - 2013-12-22 17:16:36 UTC
Ran into this in the can flipping days. Just set drones to passive

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
gfldex
#143 - 2013-12-22 17:24:47 UTC  |  Edited by: gfldex
As with any newly discovered "feature" that will give a unsuspecting pilot a pvp flag in highsec, it is good advice to ask a GM if they are fine with it. I have just done so via a ingame petition. The answer will be provided here in this threat -- as soon as it arrives (HAR HAR HAR).

Given that similar bugs in the can flip days got fixed _real_quick_ and Tippia voting in favour for this being legal, we all know how the outcome will be.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-12-22 17:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
gfldex wrote:
As with any newly discovered "feature" that will give a unsuspecting pilot a pvp flag in highsec, it is good advice to as a GM if they are fine with it. I have just done so via a ingame petition. The answer will be provided here in this threat -- as soon as it arrives (HAR HAR HAR).

Given that similar bugs in the can flip days got fixed _real_quick_ and Tippia voting in favour for this being legal, we all know how the outcome will be.


Do you think you are the first to petition? I petitioned myself and even kept up with several other players who petitioned. Guess what the answers was? "Woking as intended."

But, you let us know if yours is different.

In the meantime I'm going to enjoy watching players enforce the law. Game play that would not exist if the MTU and Depot summoned Concord.
Damasi DeFanel
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2013-12-22 17:37:48 UTC
Lets be fair.... If you are mission running, to get the maximum dps out of your drones you SHOULD be setting them to passive, and co-ordinating them to attack a single target to focus fire.... thus making them more than a tickle.

If you are mining and have defense drones.... they should be passive.... and co-ordinated to attack npc rats when they appear, focused, giving max dps of the drones.

But no.... people like to set up a mission, set up drones, set up the new mobile units, then min screen and watch MLP or something....

All this is doing (and for the better) is giving hi-sec less reason to coast by afking their crap... and actually be involved in the game.

No bug, no exploit, no issues.
gfldex
#146 - 2013-12-22 17:44:00 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

Do you think you are the first to petition?


I did not believe so. Playing the game for nearly 10 years now I know very well that complaining with GMs is pretty much the first thing players do.

Marlona Sky wrote:

I petitioned myself and even kept up with several other players who petitioned.


That's nice to hear. But why didn't you tell us?

Marlona Sky wrote:

Guess what the answers was? [i]"Woking as intended."[/]


POS bowling, and many other "features", used to be "Working as intended" too. Folk keep complaining and when the GMs got bored of reading the same stuff over and over again they forward it to a Dev. Who will then ask a DB dev to do some SQL magic to find out if that problem is persisting and significant. Then it gets fixed. Happened before, will happen again.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-12-22 18:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
gfldex wrote:


POS bowling, <----nope, wrong

and many other "features", <----such as....?


used to be "Working as intended" too. Folk keep complaining and when the GMs got bored of reading the same stuff over and over again they forward it to a Dev. Who will then ask a DB dev to do some SQL magic to find out if that problem is persisting and significant. Then it gets fixed. Happened before, will happen again.


Do you honestly believe that catering to whiners improves this game? Go play a hand-holding theme-park adventure if you want your whining to be catered to, then you can whine even harder each time they nerf your FOTM. Chasing the dream, endlessly, buff nerf buff nerf buff nerf.

Hello Kitty Island Adventure...

<-------thataway

Do you believe your signature or not??

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
gfldex
#148 - 2013-12-22 18:14:42 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:

Do you honestly believe that catering to whiners improves this game?


No, and I have never stated to do so.

Eram Fidard wrote:

Go play a hand-holding theme-park adventure if you want your whining to be catered to, then you can whine even harder each time they nerf your FOTM.


I would not be here after nearly 10 years if I had the intention to play a boring game. Nor did I state that I believe the "feature" discussed here should be changed. That's why I didn't write why it is a bug. Every time a player can get him/herself a flag or getting into PvP without explicitly stating his or her intend, there is a little warning popup that forces the player to acknowledge the intend to get involved in PvP. Neither by launching or setting drones to nasty nor when dropping a mobile tractor thingy will there be any such warning massage. It is therefore not intended by the Devs (who are _not_ GMs whose word means little over time) to have players force other players into PvP with drone agro.

Opps, did I just write that? See, that's what you get from being unfriendly on the interweb!

Eram Fidard wrote:
Do you believe your signature or not??


I do. However I do not believe in forum propaganda or in getting cheap kills. Folk like you (unfriendly and unable to use your brain, or unwilling like Tippia) are the cat poo I refer too.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2013-12-22 18:17:30 UTC
nice work people that touched peoples mission boats to cause this whinefest.
makes me want to visit highsec.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Winchester Steele
#150 - 2013-12-22 18:31:20 UTC
Magna Mortem wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk.
To wit, it's such a huge bug that it completely disables people's ability to describe what the bug is.
It was there all along, for you to see.

The drones should never agress with green safety, but they do. You can call it an oversight, a bug, or shabby game design. Either way, people who do use it for their advantage are exploiting it.



If you werent afk/bot farming missions you wouldnt need your drones set to aggressive and none of this would be of any concern.

Also, please tell me more about how drones set to aggressive shouldn't aggress.

...

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-12-22 18:46:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Marlona Sky you little raskle you!


She tried to get me the other day. I didn't know what she was doing until now. My drones were aggressive, but the tractor unit weren't mine =).
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#152 - 2013-12-22 19:55:07 UTC
Eight pages of the usual suspects trying to justify a mechanic that gives them consequence free PVP.

Am I surprised? Of course not.

As for the mechanic itself. It's perfectly legit at this point. But I believe that it will be changed as it's more likely a coding error that slipped by than an intended mechanic. This is not the first time or the last that CCP has done this.

For now though, either take advantage of it if you are into free kills or don't set your drones to aggressive if you are in a PVE fit ship.

Mr Epeen Cool
Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-12-22 19:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Na Kahm
[quote=Xercodo]I would consider it a bug on the basis that drones shouldn't be attacking anyone when aggressive unless they attack me directly.

Nobody attacked mine yetRoll, but as it (MTU) belongs to me if attacked my drones SHOULD attack the person. Alos I mine in Low sec and am never afk

and lastly, this really has some players panties in a bunch, doesntUgh

John 17 : 23
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2013-12-22 20:21:54 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Magna Mortem wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk.
To wit, it's such a huge bug that it completely disables people's ability to describe what the bug is.
It was there all along, for you to see.

The drones should never agress with green safety, but they do. You can call it an oversight, a bug, or shabby game design. Either way, people who do use it for their advantage are exploiting it.



If you werent afk/bot farming missions you wouldnt need your drones set to aggressive and none of this would be of any concern.

Also, please tell me more about how drones set to aggressive shouldn't aggress.

When I started doing missions I used drones set to aggressive frequently to get around NPC damping and jamming, I'd also imagine that for some that's still a thing.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-12-22 21:10:39 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Magna Mortem wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk.
To wit, it's such a huge bug that it completely disables people's ability to describe what the bug is.
It was there all along, for you to see.

The drones should never agress with green safety, but they do. You can call it an oversight, a bug, or shabby game design. Either way, people who do use it for their advantage are exploiting it.



If you werent afk/bot farming missions you wouldnt need your drones set to aggressive and none of this would be of any concern.

Also, please tell me more about how drones set to aggressive shouldn't aggress.

When I started doing missions I used drones set to aggressive frequently to get around NPC damping and jamming, I'd also imagine that for some that's still a thing.


It effectively is pretty cool when dealing with jamming.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-12-22 21:22:36 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Eight pages of the usual suspects trying to justify a mechanic that gives them consequence free PVP.


Consequence free you say? Then explain this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21040282

He was going around shooting the MTU in peoples missions becoming suspect flagged. I showed up and took the law into my own hands and killed him. Blink
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2013-12-22 22:25:55 UTC
TBH there is no huge problem with an excess of AFK mission running now drones are aggro-ed.

The supposed opposition to AFK missioning and mining is simply a rationalization that allows people to grief weak targets without feeling guilty.

In reality the main reason to leave mission drones on aggressive is for missions that disrupt targeting.

You will almost certainly have the same problem if you deploy FoF missiles when targeting is disrupted.

In both cases being at the keyboard will not avoid your drones targeting the wrong target.

The only solution would seem to be pull in the MTU when targeting is disrupted and you need to go aggressive.

I am not sure how that is "working as intended" but there are bigger oddities with drones - apparently remote repping drones is a bannable offense at GM discretion so I think this is mild in comparison and simply a case of "following the referees call" and pull your MTU in when you need to go aggressive.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#158 - 2013-12-22 22:32:22 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Eight pages of the usual suspects trying to justify a mechanic that gives them consequence free PVP.
Yeah, it's pretty silly that people think that they can just automatically scoop up valuable resources around them without there being some kind of consequence to that automation.

It's a good thing that people like Marlona is around to create some consequence for that lassitude.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#159 - 2013-12-22 23:10:21 UTC
So the "fix" is that the drones should still remain aggressive towards NPCs but not towards an attacker of your deployed assets? They should also remain aggressive in the event of attempted suicide gank amirite? Bear So everything BUT this? Lol
Damasi DeFanel
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2013-12-22 23:27:00 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
TBH there is no huge problem with an excess of AFK mission running now drones are aggro-ed.

The supposed opposition to AFK missioning and mining is simply a rationalization that allows people to grief weak targets without feeling guilty.

In reality the main reason to leave mission drones on aggressive is for missions that disrupt targeting.

You will almost certainly have the same problem if you deploy FoF missiles when targeting is disrupted.

In both cases being at the keyboard will not avoid your drones targeting the wrong target.

The only solution would seem to be pull in the MTU when targeting is disrupted and you need to go aggressive.

I am not sure how that is "working as intended" but there are bigger oddities with drones - apparently remote repping drones is a bannable offense at GM discretion so I think this is mild in comparison and simply a case of "following the referees call" and pull your MTU in when you need to go aggressive.







Only, generally.... if you are active at your keyboard you will see the person attacking your MTU and would either recall your drones so that they dont get destroyed too, or to high tail it out, or to stop them aggro-ing and making you a target... cause well....

Drones are called that for a reason THEY DONT THINK...

they just Do.