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Warning : Mobile Tractor Unit

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#101 - 2013-12-22 12:35:38 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
CCP wants more PvP in High-Sec so they're doing it by forcing people to shoot mobile tractor beams deployed by people that use drones as a weapon system thereby tricking them into combat.


Tricking them how? When any of us deploy drones we have the option to set them passive or aggressive. One of those choices can lead to mission runners ending up with their drones getting them into a limited engagement and the other can prevent it. That's not tricksy, it's error (or not, if they've got friends waiting to pounce) or it's laziness on the part of the mission runner.

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Haygrove
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-12-22 12:38:25 UTC
And we all know how up to date the Drone Interface is.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#103 - 2013-12-22 12:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Haygrove wrote:
And we all know how up to date the Drone Interface is.

We all know that the drone interface is, to put it bluntly, shite. That doesn't make what the OP is describing a bug or an exploit, especially when it's trivially easy to avoid.

edit ~ according to zkillboard 5499 MTUs have died so far, including one belonging to one of my alts. People, you're slacking, it should be at least double that Pirate

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#104 - 2013-12-22 12:48:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Haygrove wrote:
And we all know how up to date the Drone Interface is.

We all know that the drone interface is, to put it bluntly, shite. That doesn't make what the OP is describing a bug or an exploit, especially when it's trivially easy to avoid.

Especially when this part of the drone interface is pretty darn easy and actually works.
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2013-12-22 12:50:49 UTC
theres a drone interface?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-12-22 12:55:20 UTC
Bel Tika wrote:
theres a drone interface?


So I'm told.

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Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#107 - 2013-12-22 13:03:09 UTC
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.
Kate stark
#108 - 2013-12-22 13:03:47 UTC
Alice Ituin wrote:
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.


the point of the green safety is to prevent a suspect flag.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#109 - 2013-12-22 13:05:51 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.

the point of the green safety is to prevent a suspect flag.

obviously we need another safety that prevents you from doing anything that makes you engageable by a nonsuicide gank

eg: it would make sure you stay in an npc corp

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#110 - 2013-12-22 13:05:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The safeties are only there to keep you away from S- and C-flags. That is all. Again, no bug.

All of these behaviours are as intended and as described. There is no bug, no exploit, not even any kind of undocumented feature (for once) since all of this has been described in detail in the various devblogs that deal with the mechanics involved. Don't want your drones to take aggressive actions against legitimate targets? Then don't tell them to.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#111 - 2013-12-22 13:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
edit: lol, never mind

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-12-22 13:10:23 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.

the point of the green safety is to prevent a suspect flag.

obviously we need another safety that prevents you from doing anything that makes you engageable by a nonsuicide gank

eg: it would make sure you stay in an npc corp

We need another safety that turns PVP off entirely.

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Ariel Dawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-12-22 13:10:51 UTC
If you use drones, don't use a MTU if you suspect people may try to blow you up. Anybody who can dress themselves in the morning can figure this one out.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#114 - 2013-12-22 13:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alice Ituin wrote:
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.

When someone has a pop at an MTU they go suspect, the crimewatch rules say that you can shoot at a suspect, entering a limited engagement, without Concord getting in your face; weapons you can use to do so include drones, which admittedly behave like a Clowder of Felis Catus under the influence of psychoactive substances.

Working as intended as far as I can see.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2013-12-22 13:16:55 UTC
I didn't actually intend my drones to be aggressive when they were set to aggressive...

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#116 - 2013-12-22 13:22:25 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.

When someone has a pop at an MTU they go suspect, the crimewatch rules say that you can shoot at a suspect, entering a limited engagement, without Concord getting in your face; weapons you can use to do so include drones, which admittedly behave like a Clowder of Felis Catus under the influence of psychoactive substances.

Working as intended as far as I can see.

clearly the answer is to make it concordable to shoot mtus

and mobile depots.

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Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-12-22 13:24:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
clearly the answer is to make it concordable to shoot mtus

and mobile depots.
You're so droll, I think I wub you P

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#118 - 2013-12-22 13:28:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
What's the point of the green safety when you can still do stuff that gets you a limited engagement timer?
When you set your drones to aggressive you don't get a warning that his might make you a legal target.
One or the other needs fixing.

When someone has a pop at an MTU they go suspect, the crimewatch rules say that you can shoot at a suspect, entering a limited engagement, without Concord getting in your face; weapons you can use to do so include drones, which admittedly behave like a Clowder of Felis Catus under the influence of psychoactive substances.

Working as intended as far as I can see.

clearly the answer is to make it concordable to shoot mtus

and mobile depots.

actually wait

with green safety, you can accept a duel, right? it shouldn't let you

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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#119 - 2013-12-22 13:33:44 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Magna Mortem wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What makes you think it's a bug?

the fact that if your safety is on green you shouldn't be able to flag yourself as suspect....

But that's not what the OP is describing. He's entering a limited engagement with someone who has an S-flag.
And if you were able to do your own research, you'd understand it's a bug.


Safety on Yellow prevents you from taking any actions that will incur the wrath of concord. Safety on Green prevents you from taking any actions that will give you a suspect flag. Shooting a suspect gives you a 5 minute limited engagement with said suspect. This is working as intended.


I think the issue here is that the drones are automatically engaging a player with a suspect flag.

According to the OP as I read it there are two scenarios where the drones should behave the same way in both scenarios, but they don't.

Scenario 1:
Enemy player shoots his MTU, the enemy gets a S-flag. The drones automatically attack him if they're set to aggresive mode, which triggers the limited engagement.

Scenario 2:
Enemy loots a wreck, the enemy gets a S-flag. The drones do not automatically attack him if they're set to aggresive mode, so the limited engagement is never entered.


Problem with scenario 1 is that it's possible for a player with green safety setting to get into a situation where he's a legitimate target, without him ever doing anything to cause this, other than forgetting that his drones are set to aggresive and trusting that they won't do anything to put him in this situation in the first place.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#120 - 2013-12-22 13:37:28 UTC
Logan Revelore wrote:
Problem with scenario 1 is that it's possible for a player with green safety setting to get into a situation where he's a legitimate target, without him ever doing anything to cause this, other than forgetting that his drones are set to aggresive and trusting that they won't do anything to put him in this situation in the first place.

…and other than deliberately deploying a mobile structure that is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated.