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Warning : Mobile Tractor Unit

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Brutal Wyrm
Wealth Assessment and Redistribution Specialists
#21 - 2013-12-22 09:24:09 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What makes you think it's a bug?


the fact that if your safety is on green you shouldn't be able to flag yourself as suspect....


Go test that theory with a friend. Have him or her become suspect and set your safety to green. Then realize that you're wrong and there is no bug here, just a lack of common sense from people.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2013-12-22 09:24:59 UTC
Magna Mortem wrote:
And if you were able to do your own research, you'd understand it's a bug.

…and what makes you say that?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-12-22 09:29:05 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What makes you think it's a bug?


the fact that if your safety is on green you shouldn't be able to flag yourself as suspect....

Guess what? You're not. Educate yourself.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kate stark
#24 - 2013-12-22 09:31:04 UTC
Brutal Wyrm wrote:
Go test that theory with a friend. Have him or her become suspect and set your safety to green. Then realize that you're wrong and there is no bug here, just a lack of common sense from people.



James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Guess what? You're not. Educate yourself.


hey guys, you're about 6 posts too late to jump on the "zomg ur wrng" bandwagon.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#25 - 2013-12-22 09:31:40 UTC
Use 3 MJD Sentry Domi with RR set up for missions and this really shouldn't be a problem. Blink You're 100km or so from the warp in point, gives your sentries time to work. And by the time they get close, you can either warp off if they bring lots of friends, or you can have your other combat drones ready and waiting if they get in range.

Had people come in, seen my "fleet", and they warped out fast. Lol Is it overkill for missions? Hell yeah. Gets missions done FAST though. Twisted
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-12-22 09:32:25 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Brutal Wyrm wrote:
Go test that theory with a friend. Have him or her become suspect and set your safety to green. Then realize that you're wrong and there is no bug here, just a lack of common sense from people.



James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Guess what? You're not. Educate yourself.


hey guys, you're about 6 posts too late to jump on the "zomg ur wrng" bandwagon.

Cry some more then.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-12-22 09:33:16 UTC
It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk.

Oh and CCP hates drones.

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Kate stark
#28 - 2013-12-22 09:35:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Brutal Wyrm wrote:
Go test that theory with a friend. Have him or her become suspect and set your safety to green. Then realize that you're wrong and there is no bug here, just a lack of common sense from people.



James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Guess what? You're not. Educate yourself.


hey guys, you're about 6 posts too late to jump on the "zomg ur wrng" bandwagon.

Cry some more then.

i'm not crying. i openly admitted i made a mistake with some game mechanics this early in the morning, and that was half a page ago. if your life is that empty you need to jump on that to make yourself feel good, well, good for you.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2013-12-22 09:39:02 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk.
To wit, it's such a huge bug that it completely disables people's ability to describe what the bug is.
Esuntria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-12-22 09:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Esuntria
probably.. when safety is green status, who steal my item from my wreck and get suspect , drone never attack him in before engage manually.. but, why Mobile Tractor Unit attack make drone engage to him automatically?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#31 - 2013-12-22 09:53:04 UTC
It's not a bug, it's Shoddy Design (TM)

Don't set your drones to aggresive and you're safe. You should be safe even if they were set to aggressive, but this is CCP what we're talking about.

Of course, having your drones to passive means you must press "F" and direct them to each target individually, but, that's not too different from what you should be doing now.

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-12-22 09:56:21 UTC
This is just a delightful new way of farming tears. What could possibly be wrong with it.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2013-12-22 09:58:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mr Pragmatic wrote:

Oh I dunno, how about the fact its not documented well

This is Eve, there's very little documentation about anything from CCP, 99% of the well documented stuff has come from players.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kate stark
#34 - 2013-12-22 10:15:14 UTC
Esuntria wrote:
probably.. when safety is green status, who steal my item from my wreck and get suspect , drone never attack him in before engage manually.. but, why Mobile Tractor Unit attack make drone engage to him automatically?


because stealing loot isn't an act of aggression, shooting an MTU is.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-12-22 11:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Tippia wrote:
What makes you think it's a bug?

Because crap drone mechanics.

But if you really need the "bug" described:
Despite the fact that the safety system prevents going suspect or criminal and does not prevent combat, the idea that another capsuleer can force a limited engagement without going criminal themselves is not in keeping with how the safeties mechanics work. If you shoot another person's wreck you get concordokkened - why is it that this situation is any different? Whilst perhaps not a "bug" in the traditional sense, this loophole in the code is certainly not one that is Working As Intended™ and therefore needs review by CCP. However, it is undeniable that within current game mechanics it is a perfectly acceptable action and I am off to exploit it as much as possible now.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-12-22 11:07:41 UTC
Magna Mortem wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What makes you think it's a bug?

the fact that if your safety is on green you shouldn't be able to flag yourself as suspect....

But that's not what the OP is describing. He's entering a limited engagement with someone who has an S-flag.
And if you were able to do your own research, you'd understand it's a bug.


Safety on Yellow prevents you from taking any actions that will incur the wrath of concord. Safety on Green prevents you from taking any actions that will give you a suspect flag. Shooting a suspect gives you a 5 minute limited engagement with said suspect. This is working as intended.

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Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-22 11:10:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk.
To wit, it's such a huge bug that it completely disables people's ability to describe what the bug is.
It was there all along, for you to see.

The drones should never agress with green safety, but they do. You can call it an oversight, a bug, or shabby game design. Either way, people who do use it for their advantage are exploiting it.
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-12-22 11:11:53 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Magna Mortem wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What makes you think it's a bug?

the fact that if your safety is on green you shouldn't be able to flag yourself as suspect....

But that's not what the OP is describing. He's entering a limited engagement with someone who has an S-flag.
And if you were able to do your own research, you'd understand it's a bug.


Safety on Yellow prevents you from taking any actions that will incur the wrath of concord. Safety on Green prevents you from taking any actions that will give you a suspect flag. Shooting a suspect gives you a 5 minute limited engagement with said suspect. This is working as intended.
Except that the person doesn't need to shoot him. People are exploiting the fact that drones, which are set to aggressive, will engage them.
Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
#39 - 2013-12-22 11:14:36 UTC
Does drones on agressive mode supposed to attack any suspect while safety on green (if no MTU involved) ?

If not, that is the main point raised by OP as the bug.

It's not about the victim getting limited engagement when attacking the suspect.....
Prince Kobol
#40 - 2013-12-22 11:15:25 UTC
So let me get this straight,

If I attack a MTU and the mission runners drones are set to aggressive mode there is a chance the drones will attack me.

If this happens I will then have a limited engagement timer against the mission runner.

Wow if this is true I know what I am going ot be doing Big smile