Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Or you can shoot at anyone who moves and be done with it.

It's easier and more secure to just shoot anyone you don't know than to create a haven for a bunch of people that may or may not be getting intel for the enemy.


Plus most "good" people in the militias are < -5.0 security status and don't care. We're not about enforcing security... we're trying to wage a war against an empire on behalf of another empire.

no because any corp or alliance with money could just go to highsec and just kill every one then go and hand in tags to fix their status and just do it again

No... that's a smart way to operate because if you allow anyone into your space then you are also allowing in potential hostiles as well. The alliance CVA learned this the hard way.**


**CVA tried to make their little pocket of null-sec NRDS ("Not Red, Don't Shoot") in an effort to encourage newbies and player who wanted to experience null-sec to come down, use their space, and make them a little bit of profit.
What actually happened is that anyone and everyone who didn't like CVA blanketed the entire region with alts to keep tabs on potential targets... then ganked, Blopped, and hotdropped anything that stood still long enough (regardless of whether it was CVA or not). CVA eventually lost all their territory due in part to this policy (though, to be fair, when several larger 0.0 groups moved in there was nothing CVA could have done anyways).

Fast forward 1 year or so and CVA has now recaptured most of their old stomping grounds... but they now follow a NBSI ("Not Blue, Shoot It") policy... which has resulted in FAR less chaos and pain than before.


Because there is no CONCORD there never will enough security for people who completely dislike the idea of PvP. It's a simple truth that was proven very early in EVE's history (when CONCORD was closer to what the Faction Police are now).


What will actually happen is that PvPers will switch over to ganking tactics to end a fight as quickly as possible so that there is minimal chance to be intercepted.
As an added bonus, this idea would also make brawling in any way, shape, or form completely untenable as the "alerts" will let the "biggest fish" in the area (which are almost never the militias) know that there are people to gank (note: Pandemic Legion and several null-sec groups have MANY spies in the various militias so they can drop in on any fight bigger than a cruiser brawl).


Illusions only last as long as they actually remain intact... which won't be very long if they don't know what they are doing.

It would be better to teach newbies about the "illusions" of getting ganked whenever you enter low-sec and null-sec and how to better survive.

so I spam an alt I care nothing for in piracy shooting main first, kill them once the broadcast goes out (I'd conveniently be at the p-m they are "pirating" me on) for on the spot justice, kill them and fix standing of some kind.


This is why besides the ego boost of the km collection you you don't get much else from pvp in most places in eve. Some like me would have no issues shooting an alt if it gave some benefit beyond that.

Players that commit crimes can already be freely engaged by anybody, in any-sec. Your suggestion is redundant.

Sounds like it would be working as intended with this method; if I am understanding you correctly. With every action there is a risk: this would just add risk to both pirating in low, and FW. just like lighting a cyno.

Yes. However at the moment no entity is alerted that a crime is actively taking place or where its at to be of assistance, this is an idea to add a mechanic to FW pilots in Low-Sec to assist pilots who are being aggressed illegally, in an attempt to increase low-sec traffic.



So what method would you suggest for rectifying an abuse of this type? I said in my first post there are possible abuse and balance issues that should be discussed. Please give an alternative solution than what I have; or please state how would you personally fix an abuse at this point.

What method would you want to see implemented to attempt to get more people into low-sec? You speak as though you are making mountains of isk with PVP in low, why not do what you can to increase that traffic. Suggestions are welcome, wanted and warranted.

PvP in low and null-sec is generally a negative ISK activity. Rarely does anyone profit from it outside of extraordinary circumstances (such as a "pimp-fit ship").

The only ways to mechanically increase/encourage traffic in low-sec is...

- increase security to CONCORD levels: which won't happen because it would obliterate the current ecosystem.
- give low-sec something that everyone else in the game wants: which would entice null-sec alliances to establish themselves more than they already have.

Basically, there are bad solutions and worse solutions towards making low-sec more attractive for people... and they have massive ramifications towards the rest of the game.

Surely this would just mean that the militia show up, kill everyone involved and you end up with an even more deadly lowsec?

you could probe/scan ships in system out.

10 man local.

6 of you are FW.
2 are tuskers (or any other pirate corp)
2 are generic neuts.


If the tuskers are not near any FW peeps, they have to be somewhere. A good bet is they are hunting the 2 neuts down, find the neuts and you either find the tuskers or the prospect of a 8 on 2 may have them move on. System is now 'safe".

This would be why good roams pack something with probes or have pro's at d-scan to isolate belt targets faster at the least. Targets just don't go "I am here, planet 5 moon 4 belt 3 at 50 kms." in local every 10 seconds.

Eve a cold place....you need bait from time to time. Sometimes you get volunteers to bait to sleep easy at night. Sometimes, you still sleep easy as in this case those 2 neuts should have gtfo as soon as tuskers popped up in local in the first place.
Either way...work this right and scratch 2 tuskers.

Low sec enticing is already there. I know a few rich pos owners whose low sec reaction pos' generate tons of isk. Not all isk making involves shooting rats or mining. Funny thing is unless system eye'd by the blob low sec is one of the safest places in eve to put a pos. Loads of empire dec bears will happily kill an empire pos for some isk. Low sec? Man thats off the map, there be monsters out there.

Pirates tend to not sign up for the whole bash op cycle thing. It be why they went low sec and not 0.0. If they attack a pos based on one friends experiences with years of running low sec chains its to bait and see what drops in to rep the mild damage.